The widow play near the end there was cute from both sides. GanZi scanned so that the mines could kill the observer, but First had suicided a couple probes in to eat the shots.

Vindicare605

United States16098 Posts

February 25 2013 10:37 GMT

#488

On February 25 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That was purely WoL, widow mines did nothing at all.

Time Warp and Photon Overcharge made a pretty big impact as well.

But yea, Widow Mines are not useful vs Protoss in the late game, bio play is roughly unchanged in the matchup outside of the Medivac Afterburners which obviously make a big impact.

Confuse

2238 Posts

February 25 2013 10:37 GMT

#489

Ganzi didnt get ghost tech or viking tech, it was a bit... confusing. First did well but I can't help but think the lack of tech was Ganzi's mistake a lot more then First playing well.

LimitSEA

Australia9580 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#490

Sleep! This should be interesting. Haven't seen him play in yeeeaaaaars.

Vindicare605

United States16098 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#491

On February 25 2013 19:37 dainbramage wrote:

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Halves after all other speed modifiers

Unless you're a queen on creep, for some reason.

That's a bug, It's been reported by a lot of people hopefully it'll be fixed before the expansion goes live.

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#492

IM vs IM

AlternativeEgo

Sweden17309 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#493

On February 25 2013 19:35 iky43210 wrote:

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f5?

Did that after I got inside from being out with the dog after the first game. A second refresh did the trick though. Was a little confusing to read the LR.

Qikz

United Kingdom12023 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#494

The azubu coaches face there didn't look entirely confident

iSunrise

3302 Posts

February 25 2013 10:38 GMT

#495

On February 25 2013 19:36 Qikz wrote:

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On February 25 2013 19:33 iSunrise wrote:

On February 25 2013 19:31 Qikz wrote:

On February 25 2013 19:29 iSunrise wrote:

On February 25 2013 19:27 Qikz wrote:

On February 25 2013 19:26 iSunrise wrote:

On February 25 2013 19:21 sitromit wrote:
By the way, I'm not theorycrafting about using 20-30 mines to blow up an entire army. People are actually doing this on the ladder. With Drilling Claws, they can run straight into the army, burrow them instantly, and they all fire. They do enough single target damage to one-shot most units, so with smart fire and the splash on top, they one shot an army.

Looks like Blizzard needs to remove that upgrade then. It´s about as silly and counter-productive for the game as Khaydarin Amulet was. The widow mine is fine without out.

Warp in units and storm everything = Move in units and instakill them.

Without the upgrade it basically makes the mines worthless against toss as against skytoss the mines are one of the only counters you can actually use for tempests.

Also I'm not going to hold out hope for mech today. I really want to see it, but I feel Blizzard may have to patch the game at release if they want people to use it as currently pros don't seem to like it.

No, they are not worthless. Mines are not for attacking an army upfront like marines/marauders are. They are mines. If they can be used like what sitromit wrote, that just doesn´t fit at all.

Without that utility the mines will never kill anything from a smart player. They won't even slow the other guy down as you can't get enough to make it hard to get through a minefield without making your army too small.

Anyways I don't really want to argue in here, I'd rather just watch the games.

That´s true for all units. All smart players need to adjust their game WRT the enemy units/builds. Like I said, these are mines and not instakill attack units. I don´t think you´re really disagreeing with me here.

And like I said, if you want to kill Tempest(s), a terran needs vikings, like in WoL. A Tempest is a pretty weak unit if not massed or supported by ground.

Vikings alone do not actually beat tempests, even with good upgrades. They trade horribly as every time you move back or forward you get shot, you basically have to fully commit with all your vikings in one go and you'll lose the majority of them.

Then you need to stop just A-moving your vikings and bring some finese to the game. Like you said, a smart player just doesn´t do that. Tempests alone are no danger for a terran at all. Only if they are supported by ground units.

I don´t get your whole argument, really. Using a widow mine against a tempest, are you actually serious?

samurai80

Japan4225 Posts

February 25 2013 10:39 GMT

#496

Dat was one sided. First is too good in PvT for Ganzi.

Heartland

Sweden24591 Posts

February 25 2013 10:39 GMT

#497

On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.

Clap clap clap clap.

Olli

Austria24422 Posts

February 25 2013 10:39 GMT

#498

On February 25 2013 19:37 LimitSEA wrote:

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That drop denial was alllll Hots.

The first one, second one was stormed out.
The game overall was WoL PvT with a few slight additions like MSC and afterburners. But even the strats from both were WoL

MiraMax

Germany532 Posts

February 25 2013 10:40 GMT

#499

On February 25 2013 19:34 Alak wrote:
The problem with timewarp is that there's so little micro involved.

I mean, it's just a jump to the left.

That's complete bull... Please educate yourself before you criticize an ability for lack of micro potential. Everybody knows that it's just a jump to the left AND then a step to the riiiight ...

Worlds of difference...

Kouda

United States2205 Posts

February 25 2013 10:41 GMT

#500

what song is this?