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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 11:53:42
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#981
On February 15 2013 20:52 Elwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?

Two disappear after a few (5?) minutes.


7 iirc. It's a nice touch!

It's the center ones that goes away.
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BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#982
Nice opening advantage to Parting. It's his game to lose now. Not sure what BB is doing.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 11:53:54
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#983
On February 15 2013 20:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?


Isn't Akilon one of the maps where two of the towers die off at a certain time?

Edit: Yup
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#984
On February 15 2013 20:52 Elwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?

Two disappear after a few (5?) minutes.

Seven.
The Bomber boy
totauksz
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Ghana190 Posts
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#985
On February 15 2013 20:51 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.

If you prefer 7 games in a row that plays out exactly the same with no-rush-15 and then all end when two big blobs crash to gether in an inferno of lazers and beach balls that's fine. But I'm pretty sure you're in the minority.




that's a pretty weird translation of what I wrote. what the hell does no rush 15 have to do with anything i wrote?

Sting vs leenock, cheese in literally every game and still it was a very good series.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#986
On February 15 2013 20:52 Elwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?

Two disappear after a few (5?) minutes.


I thought I was going crazy first!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 15 2013 11:54 GMT
#987
On February 15 2013 20:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group D
BBoongBBoong vs PartinG
Game 2 (1-0)
Map: Akilon Flats

0:00
BBoongBBoong spawns in the bottom right
PartinG spawns in the top left

2:00
pool first for B4
Nexus first for PartinG
Hatch for B4
forge for PartinG

3:00
gateway for PartinG
cannon for PartinG

4:00
double gas for PartinG
3rd base for B4
Cybernetics core for PartinG
zealot for PartinG
PartinG scouts the 3rd of B4

5:00
+1 attack started for PartinG
stalker for PartinG

6:00
double gas for B4
zealot stalker harass at the 3rd of B4
spine started for B4 at his 3rd
Roach warren for B4
3rd base for PartinG
2nd stalker meets up with Parting's units

7:00
Parting starting to wall off his 3rd with 3 more gates
ling speed started for B4
Twilight council for Parting
Robo for Parting
double evo for B4
2 more gas for Parting

8:00
Lair for B4
+2 attack started for PartinG
4 more gas for B4

9:00
4th base for B4
1-1 ling upgrades for B4
observer for Parting
Robotics Bay for PartinG

10:00
infestation pit for B4
blink research started for Parting
4 more gates for Parting
macro hatch for B4
Roach speed for B4
Colossus production started for Parting
overseer scouts the main of PartinG
ling runby at the 3rd of PartinG kills a couple of probes
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12042 Posts
February 15 2013 11:54 GMT
#988
Also parting didn't even use the highground by his natural at all and B4 didn't have any overlords to spot up there.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 15 2013 11:55 GMT
#989
On February 15 2013 20:52 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:49 sAsImre wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.


the longer the series goes, the more closer to ladder games it will be. That's why weekly tournament don't differ to ladder in term of builds/gameplay and that people who're excellent on the ladder (and zergs) are really good at them.


it's not the length, it's the ability to know who you're playing. even if it's a best of 31 you can prepare 16 builds if you have the time and put the effort in... nothing like in a ladder game.


you're example is so bad because despite being totally unrealistic (or give them 3months to prepare the final) you still have 15ladder builds if you play the 31games.
Just look at the IPL fightclub there are almost 0 specific strats prepared.
Zest fanboy.
GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
February 15 2013 11:56 GMT
#990
I am glad at least MC was lucky to face a weaken zerg and made it through.

MC vs. Life going to be Ro8. Thats how protoss left WoL
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
February 15 2013 11:56 GMT
#991
Parting going out with a bang
Refer to my post.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 15 2013 11:56 GMT
#992
On February 15 2013 20:56 GaliX wrote:
I am glad at least MC was lucky to face a weaken zerg and made it through.

MC vs. Life going to be Ro8. Thats how protoss left WoL


well P got the short stick in WoL overall :'(
Zest fanboy.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
February 15 2013 11:57 GMT
#993
Carriers! Also Mothership probably! Going to miss Vortex in HotS.
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/741495/biggest-explorer-annoyance-automatic-sorting-windows-7-server-2008-r2-and-vista#details Allow Disable Auto Arrange in Windows 7+
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 12:00:10
February 15 2013 11:57 GMT
#994
On February 15 2013 20:52 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:49 sAsImre wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.


the longer the series goes, the more closer to ladder games it will be. That's why weekly tournament don't differ to ladder in term of builds/gameplay and that people who're excellent on the ladder (and zergs) are really good at them.


it's not the length, it's the ability to know who you're playing. even if it's a best of 31 you can prepare 16 builds if you have the time and put the effort in... nothing like in a ladder game.


oh and a Bo5 does not let you know who you're playing, a player's adaptability is limited, constantly adapting during an important series is tiring, yes it would be nice to see how much they are getting the better of each other each game but the longer the series goes it becomes less about who is adapting better and more about who is adapting worse.

by the way if you only care about fundamentals, literally ever korean pro whos in the A-team of a proteam is considered to be equal fundmentally by their peers and coaches its cutthroat world for them.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 15 2013 11:58 GMT
#995
Clutch snipe!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 15 2013 11:58 GMT
#996
On February 15 2013 20:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group D
BBoongBBoong vs PartinG
Game 2 (1-0)
Map: Akilon Flats

0:00
BBoongBBoong spawns in the bottom right
PartinG spawns in the top left

2:00
pool first for B4
Nexus first for PartinG
Hatch for B4
forge for PartinG

3:00
gateway for PartinG
cannon for PartinG

4:00
double gas for PartinG
3rd base for B4
Cybernetics core for PartinG
zealot for PartinG
PartinG scouts the 3rd of B4

5:00
+1 attack started for PartinG
stalker for PartinG

6:00
double gas for B4
zealot stalker harass at the 3rd of B4
spine started for B4 at his 3rd
Roach warren for B4
3rd base for PartinG
2nd stalker meets up with Parting's units

7:00
Parting starting to wall off his 3rd with 3 more gates
ling speed started for B4
Twilight council for Parting
Robo for Parting
double evo for B4
2 more gas for Parting

8:00
Lair for B4
+2 attack started for PartinG
4 more gas for B4

9:00
4th base for B4
1-1 ling upgrades for B4
observer for Parting
Robotics Bay for PartinG

10:00
infestation pit for B4
blink research started for Parting
4 more gates for Parting
macro hatch for B4
Roach speed for B4
Colossus production started for Parting
overseer scouts the main of PartinG
ling runby at the 3rd of PartinG kills a couple of probes

11:00
Extended thermal lance research startedf or Parting
pathogen glands for B4
Parting kills some more lings
Hive for B4
Spire for B4
+1 range attack for B4

12:00
4th base for PartinG
+3 attack started for PartinG
spines started for B4
infestor production started for B4
cannons going up for Parting at the bottom of his natural ramp between all of his bases
Stargate for PartinG

13:00
Corruptor production started for B4
+2 melee started for B4
Fleet beacon for Parting
2nd stargate for PartinG
greater spire started for B4
adrenal glands for B4
Warp prism for Parting
Warp prism speed for Parting
+1 air attack for Parting

14:00
more spines for B4
another stargate for Parting
Carrier production started for Parting
+2 range attack started for B4
charge research started for PartinG

15:00
warp prism in the main of B4 warping in zealots
Brood lords being morphing for B4
roaches engaging the army of PartinG briefly
zealots kill the spawning pool
+1 air carapace started for B4
pool dies 1 second before adrenal glands finishes
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 15 2013 11:58 GMT
#997
Carrier/Zealot best comp
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Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
February 15 2013 11:59 GMT
#998
DONT FORGET MOTHERSHIP
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
February 15 2013 11:59 GMT
#999
Kinda dislike parting's play tonight... incredibly greedy and somewhat gimmicky :/
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8758 Posts
February 15 2013 11:59 GMT
#1000
PartinG going full Zerg turtle mode vs BBoongBBoong
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