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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
February 15 2013 11:48 GMT
#961
The possibillity of neither PartinG or Life making it out of this group blows my mind..

Glad I ragequit Liquibet this season already in the ro32
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 15 2013 11:48 GMT
#962
man i wanted to learn how to play pvz by watching parting, only to see him get destructowned by roach ling. gateway units are garbage roaches just destroy stalkers for free. hopefully parting wins the next one
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#963
On February 15 2013 20:46 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:45 GaliX wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:44 Azurues wrote:
lol this map sucks


its not the map, its the matchup over all.


yeah...blame the matchup ~.~...listen to the commentary and try to learn instead of blaming the ''matchup''

The match-up is pretty stale and boring at this point in WoL's long life. I can't wait until the next season to see some new strategies and interesting plays in HotS..
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#964
On February 15 2013 20:48 fishjie wrote:
man i wanted to learn how to play pvz by watching parting, only to see him get destructowned by roach ling. gateway units are garbage roaches just destroy stalkers for free. hopefully parting wins the next one


Watch HerO instead. That's as close to good decision making in PvZ as you'll get.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#965
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.


the longer the series goes, the more closer to ladder games it will be. That's why weekly tournament don't differ to ladder in term of builds/gameplay and that people who're excellent on the ladder (and zergs) are really good at them.
Zest fanboy.
Rainmansc
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands216 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#966
Its just that he tried teching to collosi while dealing with an roach ling all in, which is impossible!
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#967
On February 15 2013 20:48 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 Elwar wrote:
Just like Bel'Shir...

PvZ requires such one-directional, boring map design for the protoss to be able to compete.


What are you talking about? Planet S is the best map in the pool.

Parting just got out produced there and he really should have added cannons in atleast one of those chokes to help defend.

I'm a parting fan and I really want to see him win, but in no way was that the maps fault. B4 played perfectly.

"just add canons" haha geat one.with infinite minerals maybe.
crack
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#968
On February 15 2013 20:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:48 fishjie wrote:
man i wanted to learn how to play pvz by watching parting, only to see him get destructowned by roach ling. gateway units are garbage roaches just destroy stalkers for free. hopefully parting wins the next one


Watch HerO instead. That's as close to good decision making in PvZ as you'll get.

uh, not really, especially in lategame :p
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scr
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1025 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 11:51:08
February 15 2013 11:50 GMT
#969
proxy stargate? .. nvm the probe just went scouting :D
Try again, fail better.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#970
On February 15 2013 20:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:48 fishjie wrote:
man i wanted to learn how to play pvz by watching parting, only to see him get destructowned by roach ling. gateway units are garbage roaches just destroy stalkers for free. hopefully parting wins the next one


Watch HerO instead. That's as close to good decision making in PvZ as you'll get.

uh, not really, especially in lategame :p


HerO gets PvZ waaaaaay better than Parting does. Lategame is the only thing he struggles with but well, everybody does. His understanding of the matchup is probably still the best in the world.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#971
On February 15 2013 20:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group D
BBoongBBoong vs PartinG
Game 2 (1-0)
Map: Akilon Flats

0:00
BBoongBBoong spawns in the bottom right
PartinG spawns in the top left

2:00
pool first for B4
Nexus first for PartinG
Hatch for B4
forge for PartinG

3:00
gateway for PartinG
cannon for PartinG

4:00
double gas for PartinG
3rd base for B4
Cybernetics core for PartinG
zealot for PartinG
PartinG scouts the 3rd of B4

5:00
+1 attack started for PartinG
stalker for PartinG
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Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#972
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.

If you prefer 7 games in a row that plays out exactly the same with no-rush-15 and then all end when two big blobs crash to gether in an inferno of lazers and beach balls that's fine. But I'm pretty sure you're in the minority.


GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#973
On February 15 2013 20:48 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 Elwar wrote:
Just like Bel'Shir...

PvZ requires such one-directional, boring map design for the protoss to be able to compete.


What are you talking about? Planet S is the best map in the pool.

Parting just got out produced there and he really should have added cannons in atleast one of those chokes to help defend.

I'm a parting fan and I really want to see him win, but in no way was that the maps fault. B4 played perfectly.


Even mass canons without any gates would have helped....
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#974
On February 15 2013 20:49 Coolhwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:48 Qikz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:47 Elwar wrote:
Just like Bel'Shir...

PvZ requires such one-directional, boring map design for the protoss to be able to compete.


What are you talking about? Planet S is the best map in the pool.

Parting just got out produced there and he really should have added cannons in atleast one of those chokes to help defend.

I'm a parting fan and I really want to see him win, but in no way was that the maps fault. B4 played perfectly.

"just add canons" haha geat one.with infinite minerals maybe.


He was trying to tech while B4 was going for a roach ling all in off of three base. He got punished for what he was doing and he could have had some cannons.

I'm a parting fan ever since he joined SKT, but stop blaming the map or we'll end up with daybreak v2/v3/v4 as the pool for the next 3 years. It's not the maps fault.
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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#975
parting should just soultrain. that's probably the only reason he has a good winrate vs zerg.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 11:53:04
February 15 2013 11:51 GMT
#976
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?

Nevermind.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
February 15 2013 11:52 GMT
#977
On February 15 2013 20:48 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 Elwar wrote:
Just like Bel'Shir...

PvZ requires such one-directional, boring map design for the protoss to be able to compete.


What are you talking about? Planet S is the best map in the pool.

Parting just got out produced there and he really should have added cannons in atleast one of those chokes to help defend.

I'm a parting fan and I really want to see him win, but in no way was that the maps fault. B4 played perfectly.

Its really isn't. The problem is a wide open area between the natural and the third, and another path to the third doesn't help either. Protoss has to rely on forcefields, and space negates forcefields. Protoss doesn't do well split-up, and adding too many cannons requires investment that gets you behind by default.

Parting got "out produced"? That is protoss vs. zerg. Zerg produces much faster.

totauksz
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Ghana190 Posts
February 15 2013 11:52 GMT
#978
On February 15 2013 20:49 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 20:47 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:35 totauksz wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:30 liberate71 wrote:
On February 15 2013 20:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
to be honest in starcraft the truest test of skill has always been a Bo5 not Bo7


Bullshit. HyuN. King of the world due to B09's



not bullshit, I know what i'm talking about.:/

Bo7s are tiring Bo9's are worse.

Bo5 pushes players to the limit without completely exhausting them by the time they reach Game 5.


i'm not sure the tiring effect of a best of 9 should be understood as a disadvantage for players who practice 12 hours a day. it even requires a different kind of skillshet because you're not likely to win as big bart of your games with weird builds and gimmicks.

Hyun beat everyone with solid macro that is really impressive


weird builds and gimmicks are a part of the game, you can't always hang on your good macro, limiting the series to a Bo5 gives you the best of everything, it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less.

its a completely different feeling being in the booth than in the practice house I can assure you that.


no. you don't have a solid argument just the misty " it gives you a chance to do a whole lot more even with what seems less"

best of 5s are only good for people who can prepare 3 really good builds that rely on being unpredicted, and that's it.

the longer the series are the more players rely on fundamentals and i'm cool with that since you can cheese as much as you want there too but the opponent has the chance to get to read your style.

and no stamina is not a problem to these guys, if they have nerve issues that's a different matter. a day of mlg is a hundred times more exhausting than best of 9 series. doesn't matter which booth they're in, if they have nerve issues they have them while playing in best of 3s and best of 243212331s either.


the longer the series goes, the more closer to ladder games it will be. That's why weekly tournament don't differ to ladder in term of builds/gameplay and that people who're excellent on the ladder (and zergs) are really good at them.


it's not the length, it's the ability to know who you're playing. even if it's a best of 31 you can prepare 16 builds if you have the time and put the effort in... nothing like in a ladder game.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
February 15 2013 11:52 GMT
#979
When you GW expand it's really important to kill off the third base. Your entire build relies on changing timings and making sure Z is on two bases. Failing to do that you're really behind and your production of Immortals or other units makes it really hard to hold three bases against a Roach-producing, three-base Zerg.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
February 15 2013 11:52 GMT
#980
On February 15 2013 20:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
Wtf, this is so strange. Life vs PartinG before on this map had only 2 Xel'Naga towers, but this one has 4 Xel'Naga towers?!?

Two disappear after a few (5?) minutes.
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