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fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#501
On January 21 2013 16:26 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:23 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On January 21 2013 16:22 bankobauss wrote:
christ stephano. DONT GO HYDRAS VS TOSS OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG


Actually hydras are pretty good vs protoss without Colossus or storm

That last game begs to differ ;p forcefields can still massacre a hydra army.


That many forcefields massacre any ground army without massive units.


ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#502
On January 21 2013 16:24 RiZu wrote:
GG please don't become failhoon today... walking up a ramp when you are ahead into stim MMM.

He can only resist the urge to do something like that for so long.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#503
Does Stephano usually go pure roach to hold immortal all ins? Thought that part was pretty interesting.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#504
On January 21 2013 16:30 Mohdoo wrote:
No doubt in my mind that Stephano got cocky and thought he could end the game. He got cocky, over committed, lost way too much and the game was over. He lost the game all on his own after having it essentially in the bag.

He didn't get cocky, he literally could not ever engage because forcefields would kill him. He would have lost when Jaehoon did his first attack at the 3rd, but backed up. Stephano was never in a good position that game
Refer to my post.
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 07:33:10
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#505
On January 21 2013 16:29 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:26 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 21 2013 16:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 21 2013 16:22 Belha wrote:
Why hidras

Just don't make that unit for competitive ZvP u.u


Stephano knows more than you do so he had a reason for going Hydralisk. You don't have to make excuses just because he didn't win. Stephano is known as one of the best ZvPers for a reason. Jaehoon just had his number and now that Stephano is in pro league his styles being analyzed by the Kespa pros who will break him down once they understand his style.

No one broke down his style. Stephano had the game won at the beginning but overcommitted to roach hydra at the 3rd. And then he was fucked.


If Stephano had the game "won" from the beginning then he would have won with his signature roach bust which failed. Argo broke him down and played super patiently to get out the composition worthy of dealing with Stephanos roach mass.

No, stephano doesn't 200 roach max anymore...he hasn't done that for like 6 months. He made the roaches in response to the sentry immortal stalker push. Held it, and denied the 3rd. Argo didn't do anything but land good forcefields. That's literally all he did. Stephano fucked that game up. You're giving Argo too much credit.

Edit: He was making more Hydra's then roaches in the midgame...that's not a roach bust...>_>
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
January 21 2013 07:32 GMT
#506
no korean stream link today?
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
January 21 2013 07:32 GMT
#507
HerO under pressure? gg Argo
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 21 2013 07:32 GMT
#508
On January 21 2013 16:31 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:30 Mohdoo wrote:
No doubt in my mind that Stephano got cocky and thought he could end the game. He got cocky, over committed, lost way too much and the game was over. He lost the game all on his own after having it essentially in the bag.

He didn't get cocky, he literally could not ever engage because forcefields would kill him. He would have lost when Jaehoon did his first attack at the 3rd, but backed up. Stephano was never in a good position that game


Ah I disagree. When he held that 2 base attack he was far ahead (he had +2 attack, jaehoon had NO upgardes, he had a third base, he could have taken a 4'th while teching to infestors and he would have won that game easy peasy imo).
When I think of something else, something will go here
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
January 21 2013 07:32 GMT
#509
On January 21 2013 16:26 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On January 21 2013 16:22 Belha wrote:
Why hidras

Just don't make that unit for competitive ZvP u.u


Stephano knows more than you do so he had a reason for going Hydralisk. You don't have to make excuses just because he didn't win. Stephano is known as one of the best ZvPers for a reason. Jaehoon just had his number and now that Stephano is in pro league his styles being analyzed by the Kespa pros who will break him down once they understand his style.

No one broke down his style. Stephano had the game won at the beginning but overcommitted to roach hydra at the 3rd. And then he was fucked.

He didn't have it won. All he had was the first large attack repelled. Argo was smart after that. He pulled back and went into defensive mode without being greedy or taking his 3rd too early. It was really nice play by Argo and it was obvious he had studied Stephano's past games.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#510
Gogo Hero!!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#511
Hero it is!

Let's see whether he can stop jaehoon :O
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#512
Come on Hero. Gimme those points.
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#513
On January 21 2013 16:25 NoGasfOu wrote:
Stephano's best match up can't even save him. That's not good.

how short your memory is
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#514
On January 21 2013 16:30 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 16:28 bankobauss wrote:
I seriously believe stephanos massive balls and belief in himself costed him that game more than his skill


stephano KNOWS he could have easily beaten argo by going infestor broodlords mass fungals, but he wanted to try to prove a point that he can win with hydras


sigh sigh sigh stephano. he was MASSIVELY ahead right after defending the all-in, just zip straight to hive ASAP and win ez


He stubbornly refused to make infestors that game. He probably still would have won, but Argo made all the right FF's and controlled every engagement.

Again, it's not that he refused, it's that he COULDN'T after losing so badly at Jaehoons third. The game was pretty much lost there unless Jaehoon went into Failhoon mode and forgot to press FFFFFF.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
January 21 2013 07:33 GMT
#515
is Jaehoon still T8's captain?
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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 07:34:25
January 21 2013 07:34 GMT
#516
Stephano was being a bit cocky here. But there is also the fact that infestor are now a lot less valuable versus protosses with the new patch (i.e IEM Katowice)
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 21 2013 07:34 GMT
#517
On January 21 2013 16:33 Kergy wrote:
is Jaehoon still T8's captain?

as far as I know and according to liquipedia, yes
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LesPhoques
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada782 Posts
January 21 2013 07:34 GMT
#518
Hero with power bracelets >.> Placebo effect at best.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 21 2013 07:34 GMT
#519
Btw, for the past 2 weeks, Jaehoon is 6-3 against Effort, HerO[join], Stats, Fantasy, Rain, Soo, Bogus, Jaedong, Stephano.

Now go beat the late toss and make it 7-3!
"Start yo" -FlaSh
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 07:35:54
January 21 2013 07:35 GMT
#520
On January 21 2013 16:28 bankobauss wrote:
I seriously believe stephanos massive balls and belief in himself costed him that game more than his skill


stephano KNOWS he could have easily beaten argo by going infestor broodlords mass fungals, but he wanted to try to prove a point that he can win with hydras


sigh sigh sigh stephano. he was MASSIVELY ahead right after defending the all-in, just zip straight to hive ASAP and win ez


Let me break it down for you. Stephano had no chance to make a Hive because he couldn't bank enough gas to produce hive tech units. Argo could have attacked Stephano and won if he had went for Hive tech because he would have had to sacrifice Roach/Hydra production. Argo kept tabs on Stephanos lair with the warp Prism and Zealots in the main base. So, you people that are claiming that he was "too stubborn to make infestor" or would have won "ez if he went straight to hive" are overlooking these strategical elements. Stephano had no chance to go for either due to the situation he was in.
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