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On December 20 2012 20:31 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. Problem? Would you want to try playing as protoss and going up against the variety of bullshit a zerg can throw at you, including of course infestor-broodlord? Regarding Infestor-broodlord: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have a lategame build that strong. It's just bad for the game. As zerg there used to be actual exciting games to watch, but this build is so strong we very rarely ever see any other builds from zerg. Why do a build that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even if the protoss does everything in his ability to stop it?
I don't disagree with you. Broodlord infestor is too strong as well.
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On December 20 2012 20:29 OfficerRobert wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wonder who's playing in the HotS showmatch >_>
that sounds a hell of a lot better than what the finals are likely to be, lol Nestea, DRG, Baby, and + Show Spoiler +
Really?
Nice, wonder if Nestea upped his HotS game, he did terrible last time xD. Did manage to take out Flash in a showmatch though =o
either way sounds better than ZvP
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On December 20 2012 20:32 Loccstana wrote:
In the next patch, Blizzard will be considering how to nerf sentrys.
doubtful. if they didnt change sentries after MC made everyone think they were imba for 3 months back then they wont change it now
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On December 20 2012 20:31 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:29 OfficerRobert wrote:On December 20 2012 20:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wonder who's playing in the HotS showmatch >_>
that sounds a hell of a lot better than what the finals are likely to be, lol Nestea, DRG, Baby, and + Show Spoiler + wait, really?
Yes, Chinese website has news up already. Don't know why TL hasn't put it up yet.
http://sc.plu.cn/note/2012-12-20/53420.html
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On December 20 2012 20:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:30 massivez wrote:
So whoever wins the final should be labeled as the best player of 2012:o? GOM does it. It's kind of funny though if you look at last year Best Terran:  Mvp Best Zerg:  NesTea Best Protoss:  MC Best Player 2011: MMA wait what? how can mma be best player when Mvp was best terran? silly Gom
Wait what? I'm pretty sure Mvp won the best player of 2011 award.
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On December 20 2012 20:29 Girondelle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:28 thesums wrote:On December 20 2012 20:25 Gihi wrote:On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. hi zerg Zerg should not talk about ratios lol....look at the Win Ratio tab on the gomtv website, top 5 ratios are all zergs (before today's match) 1. Life 75% 2. Sniper 69.4% 3. DRG 67.6% 4. Leenock 66.7% 5. Hyun 64% Good players have good win ratio, crazy right?
The fuck... the point is that they're all zerg. Check your reading comprehension.
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I'm thinking that you need a Soulstone to block this build. Put one on PartinG's head and BAM.
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On December 20 2012 20:33 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 20 2012 20:30 massivez wrote:
So whoever wins the final should be labeled as the best player of 2012:o? GOM does it. It's kind of funny though if you look at last year Best Terran: Mvp Best Zerg: NesTea Best Protoss: MC Best Player 2011: MMA wait what? how can mma be best player when Mvp was best terran? silly Gom Wait what? I'm pretty sure Mvp won the best player of 2011 award.
not from Gom since they give it to the blizzard cup champion
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_Blizzard_Cup
MMA won the tournament
Best Race Players (By GSL Points for Each Race) Mvp NesTea MC
Best Player (Winner of 2011 GSL Blizzard Cup) MMA
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On December 20 2012 20:33 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 20 2012 20:30 massivez wrote:
So whoever wins the final should be labeled as the best player of 2012:o? GOM does it. It's kind of funny though if you look at last year Best Terran: Mvp Best Zerg: NesTea Best Protoss: MC Best Player 2011: MMA wait what? how can mma be best player when Mvp was best terran? silly Gom Wait what? I'm pretty sure Mvp won the best player of 2011 award.
No MMA did. The winner of last years Blizzard Cup won best player of 2011 award.
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How is this all in working in HOTs beta btw?
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Maybe Sniper should have used his Nydus build to hit Parting's main or natural AFTER Parting started to move out with his sentry/immortal all-in. He'd probably need at least two (probably more like 3 or 4) simultaneous Nydus' to ensure that at least one could get up and running, but could this work as a counter build?
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On December 20 2012 20:33 OfficerRobert wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:31 opterown wrote:On December 20 2012 20:29 OfficerRobert wrote:On December 20 2012 20:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wonder who's playing in the HotS showmatch >_>
that sounds a hell of a lot better than what the finals are likely to be, lol Nestea, DRG, Baby, and + Show Spoiler + wait, really? Yes, Chinese website has news up already. Don't know why TL hasn't put it up yet. http://sc.plu.cn/note/2012-12-20/53420.html
I hope Bisu tries this immortal push. Except with 25 sentries and 3 immortals and no stalkers. No need for the new units when you have sentries right Bisu? :p
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2 GSL's + 2 2nd places = StarTale year definitely
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On December 20 2012 20:34 NHY wrote:
I'm thinking that you need a Soulstone to block this build. Put one on PartinG's head and BAM.
wouldn't you need to take the soulstone out of partings head and bam, destroy it?
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On December 20 2012 20:32 etherealfall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:28 MorroW wrote:On December 20 2012 20:26 xAdra wrote:
You guys may find it boring, but I'm just too glad that Parting can roll some zerg face with his allin :D
And don't act as if every protoss can do this, or else they would. Parting's execution of the build is unlike any other. Props to Parting, hoping for him to be the world champion! nobody denies that :D i hope he wins too but everyone probably realizes at this point that build relies completely on forcefield mechanics and no matter how good a zerg you are your not gonna be the one controlling who wins the game. i cant name a single thing some of these zergs do wrong when they lose to partings immortal sentry allin :DD while vs other tosses those zergs like sniper takes a shit on immortal sentry allin And what's a consistent way to beat BL infestor reliably without having the Z screw up on engagement?
don't engage~
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On December 20 2012 20:26 yoshi245 wrote:
But the level of meta between them will be huge due to that as well
Are you kidding? Parting just gonna Immortal/Sentry all-in him every game until victory. Like a boss. :D
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On December 20 2012 20:28 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. It's so stupid that in SC2 we have a race that can be played a number of different ways but one of them is so strong we rarely ever see the others. Why play a style that only works 40% or 50% of the time when you can just turtle into mass infestor/hive and win 90% of the time even when your opponent knows what you're doing?
This. This so much. You're my hero for today.
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On December 20 2012 20:33 goswser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:31 xAdra wrote:On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. Problem? Would you want to try playing as protoss and going up against the variety of bullshit a zerg can throw at you, including of course infestor-broodlord? Regarding Infestor-broodlord: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have a lategame build that strong. It's just bad for the game. As zerg there used to be actual exciting games to watch, but this build is so strong we very rarely ever see any other builds from zerg. Why do a build that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even if the protoss does everything in his ability to stop it? I don't disagree with you. Broodlord infestor is too strong as well.
Glad you think so. Since we can see eye-to-eye on this we can also agree the matchup needs a huge makeover in order to make sure it isn't like PvT a few months back:
Terran allins, or Protoss completely owns him
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Protoss allins, or Zerg completely owns him
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I'm not really supposed to say this as protoss but there's something quite good against immortals & forcefields. It's called baneling drops + zerglings.
Always wondered how come a build designed to crush roachling was so good at crushing roachling... Could it have been because it was designed to crush roachling?
You sound like the terrans who used to complain storm + colossus was too strong against bio... well duh, that's kind of the point.
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