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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:29 FrodaN wrote: I love how shameless Parting is with his sentry immortal push. God I was cracking up the entire time. He's the only player who manages to consistently do it with success, and is by far and beyond the best player in the business when it comes to that push ...so why wouldn't he use it? :D | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
Good argument. Next time add some content. | ||
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
wait, really? | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:27 Chocobo wrote: You absolutely cannot. Sniper was 99.9% perfect in game 3, killed several pylons, got a huge surround... and got completely crushed, it wasn't even close. But what are the unconvential options? Nydus was a good idea from Sniper, but Parting knows that's one of the only things that beats him, so he always checks for it. Mutas aren't an option... I don't think hydras will get it done when chopped up by forcefields either. IMO it has to be a basetrade. Counterattack with burrow roaches, or with drops (not sure if you can get drops and a large army in time though). But when the best zerg players in the world are getting stomped like this, and it's considered a fluke when someone actually holds it... clearly trying to hold the attack is a bad idea. Better counter-allins need to be found, because standard play is not working whatsoever. But exactly what corners is Parting cutting in the early game, if any? Would it be better for zerg to just to some kind of roach pressure, baneling bust, to make sure the game gets thrown of its normal path and timing making the game more about improvising and thinking on your feet. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:30 massivez wrote: So whoever wins the final should be labeled as the best player of 2012:o? GOM does it. It's kind of funny though if you look at last year Best Terran:  MvpBest Zerg:  NesTeaBest Protoss:  MCBest Player 2011: MMAwait what? how can mma be best player when Mvp was best terran? silly Gom | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. I agree, but to be honest it's the only thing that keeps the match up kinda even, this all in is way too strong, but Zerg Late game is also too strong for protoss to deal with it. | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. Problem? Would you want to try playing as protoss and going up against the variety of bullshit a zerg can throw at you, including of course infestor-broodlord? Regarding Infestor-broodlord: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have a lategame build that strong. It's just bad for the game. As zerg there used to be actual exciting games to watch, but this build is so strong we very rarely ever see any other builds from zerg. Why do a build that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even if the protoss does everything in his ability to stop it? | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
He has 8 sentries and 3 immortals, you have like 40 speedlings and some roaches... | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:29 dcemuser wrote: You never mentioned Infestor tech, which is a better option than hoping your opponent doesn't have 2 sentries at home, lol. I'd like to see someone try it. It's tough to get infestors out that early, you won't have many of them, and the rest of your ground forces will all be lings. It's a potential option worth trying more, though. This roach/ling stuff is a dead end. | ||
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OfficerRobert
United States95 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:31 Flonomenalz wrote: So if Zergs start going 2 base Infestor to blind counter Immortal Sentry all ins, then everyone goes right back to complaining about Infestors. Hilarious LR threads. Hilarious matchup either way. | ||
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Noc-
Finland850 Posts
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MGSachse
United States27 Posts
Only one more to beat, he on the throne Using music of soul, scratching on vinyl Lo and behold, Protoss made the final | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:31 Boiler Bandsman wrote: Good argument. Next time add some content. I think he's the kind of guy who would whine that 10 pool counters double FE terran xD | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:30 nomyx wrote: they play very greedy by skimpy out on high level tech that could help out and instead rely on low tech units which have proven time and time again to fail vs this push ah the reason these korean zergs stop at 3 queens 4 gas 57 drones is because if they make anything more than that toss just attacks quicker instead of sitting outside you until he gets 20 sentries ^^ it looks kind of silly to not see infestor by 13min mark since it obviously crushes this but keep in mind if zerg tries to get this tech out parting is gonna smell it and kill you before that | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote: It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. I don't think we can conclude that with this series, though. I would like to point out that a LOT of other Protosses try the immortal sentry all-in, too, and they don't get as much success with it as Parting. Parting is, statistically at least, an anomaly. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:30 Skelith wrote: Twilight for warprism would solve this shit. Solve? No, it would ruin it. How are you thinking? :s | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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etherealfall
Australia476 Posts
On December 20 2012 20:28 MorroW wrote: nobody denies that :D i hope he wins too but everyone probably realizes at this point that build relies completely on forcefield mechanics and no matter how good a zerg you are your not gonna be the one controlling who wins the game. i cant name a single thing some of these zergs do wrong when they lose to partings immortal sentry allin :DD while vs other tosses those zergs like sniper takes a shit on immortal sentry allin And what's a consistent way to beat BL infestor reliably without having the Z screw up on engagement? | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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