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On December 20 2012 20:28 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Zerg does not have a god-given right to 3 bases before tech. Stop crying because PartinG found a consistent way to punish greed.
this! it's funny because of how much zergs whine about maps that don't have 3 easy bases (look at the custom game forums to see what I'm talking about). Some strats are better on certain maps, and once zergs learn that you just can't go 3 base roach every game they can evolve and stop this push
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On December 20 2012 20:25 Lakona wrote:
LOL @ BITTER ZERGS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SERIES
The PvZ yesterday was fun. This was a 3-0 one-sided blowout with the same all in 3 games in a row. None of the games were back and forth, you could see from the 1st engagement that Sniper wasn't going to be able to hold.
Anybody who calls this fun is only doing so because of the recent anti-Zerg bandwagon.
Hopefully the finals will be more fun than this.
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clueless people thinking you can tech vs this... lol, nestea tried muta basetrade but that got figured out in a second. you cant get infestors, hydras are useless unless they wait for ages to actually push in, what do you want from t2 against this?
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On December 20 2012 20:28 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Zerg does not have a god-given right to 3 bases before tech. Stop crying because PartinG found a consistent way to punish greed.
Posts like this kill my brain.
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On December 20 2012 20:28 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:25 Gihi wrote:On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. hi zerg Zerg should not talk about ratios lol....look at the Win Ratio tab on the gomtv website, top 5 ratios are all zergs (before today's match) 1. Life 75% 2. Sniper 69.4% 3. DRG 67.6% 4. Leenock 66.7% 5. Hyun 64%
Good players have good win ratio, crazy right?
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On December 20 2012 20:28 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:24 goswser wrote:
It's so stupid for starcraft 2 to have an allin that strong. It's just bad for the game. As protoss there used to be a lot of allins, but this one is so strong we very rarely ever see any other allin builds now from protoss. Why do an allin that works 40% or 50% of the time if you can do one that works 90% of the time even when it gets scouted. It's so stupid that in SC2 we have a race that can be played a number of different ways one of them is so strong we rarely ever see the others. Why play a style that only works 40% or 50% of the time when you can just turtle into mass infestor/hive and win 90% of the time even when your opponent knows what you're doing?
That's stupid too. I hate turtling to infestor broodlord every time. Hopefully HOTS will be better.
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On December 20 2012 20:27 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:21 Jacmert wrote:On December 20 2012 20:21 NovemberstOrm wrote:On December 20 2012 20:20 MorroW wrote:
lool hilarious how broken that build is it might be broken but partings execution is near flawless. I'm starting to think you can't use conventional Roach tech to beat a "perfectly" executed Immortal sentry all-in. You absolutely cannot. Sniper was 99.9% perfect in game 3, killed several pylons, got a huge surround... and got completely crushed, it wasn't even close. But what are the unconvential options? Nydus was a good idea from Sniper, but Parting knows that's one of the only things that beats him, so he always checks for it. Mutas aren't an option... I don't think hydras will get it done when chopped up by forcefields either. IMO it has to be a basetrade. Counterattack with burrow roaches, or with drops (not sure if you can get drops and a large army in time though). But when the best zerg players in the world are getting stomped like this, and it's considered a fluke when someone actually holds it... clearly trying to hold the attack is a bad idea. Better counter-allins need to be found, because standard play is not working whatsoever.
You never mentioned Infestor tech, which is a better option than hoping your opponent doesn't have 2 sentries at home, lol.
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On December 20 2012 20:28 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Zerg does not have a god-given right to 3 bases before tech. Stop crying because PartinG found a consistent way to punish greed.
Well said, I think some 2 base variations might be in order or maybe the standard once more. Was a while ago.
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if any other player in the world did the same all in build three times in a row to win an important series against a talented opponent, this place would be crying nonstop. but it's parting, so whatev. imagine if a zerg had a build that did this. TL would crash.
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On December 20 2012 20:27 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:25 FeyFey wrote:
having 3 years to actually tech, but staying on t1 against a t2 army that ravages t1. You have to learn you can't force buffs that easily from Blizzard anymore.
Of course it is understandable to not want to invest into tech when facing this. But yeah staying on t1 units is really no answer Kinda like how terran QQ when marines die to fungal huh?  The circle of tear is now complete!
The truth is, everybody has a reason to cry about the F hotkey now :D
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Have a feeling Parting's vs Zerg is going to win him the tournament. He's taking advantage of protoss the way you should these days!
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ok to be honest i really did not enjoy that series after the first game. an all-in here or there is fine, but not three in a row =.=
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On December 20 2012 20:28 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:26 xAdra wrote:
You guys may find it boring, but I'm just too glad that Parting can roll some zerg face with his allin :D
And don't act as if every protoss can do this, or else they would. Parting's execution of the build is unlike any other. Props to Parting, hoping for him to be the world champion! nobody denies that :D i hope he wins too but everyone probably realizes at this point that build relies completely on forcefield mechanics and no matter how good a zerg you are your not gonna be the one controlling who wins the game. i cant name a single thing some of these zergs do wrong when they lose to partings immortal sentry allin :DD while vs other tosses those zergs like sniper takes a shit on immortal sentry allin
they play very greedy by skimpy out on high level tech that could help out and instead rely on low tech units which have proven time and time again to fail vs this push
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On December 20 2012 20:28 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Zerg does not have a god-given right to 3 bases before tech. Stop crying because PartinG found a consistent way to punish greed.
QFT (did you know this is an acronym? it's three words)
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Twilight for warprism would solve this shit.
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I think Life will have a good chance, he's not afraid to pull out early pool builds and generally play unorthodox. Can't see him trying to pull out 3 base play time after time like Sniper.
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So whoever wins the final should be labeled as the best player of 2012:o?
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The pros posting in here saying the build is broken are probably 100% right - it's insanely hard to stop. Sniper is one of the only ones to do it and he saw it coming, and still lost (even with super extended creep at his 3rd). Regardless, as a SC2 viewer I'd rather watch this build over and over vs. long turtle games where nothing innovative has happened past the 15:00 mark in like 6 months. I even play Zerg and I'm so tired of the lack of options in composition from both sides I'd rather watch a Protoss steamroll through every Zerg like this.... well only if that Protoss is named Parting though. 
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On December 20 2012 20:30 negativedge wrote:
if any other player in the world did the same all in build three times in a row to win an important series against a talented opponent, this place would be crying nonstop. but it's parting, so whatev. imagine if a zerg had a build that did this. TL would crash.
Well 12 min max roach worked for 3 or 4 months before P figured it out....
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So if Zergs start going 2 base Infestor to blind counter Immortal Sentry all ins, then everyone goes right back to complaining about Infestors.
Hilarious LR threads.
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