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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:17 Boiler Bandsman wrote: And that's lategame PvZ, people. That's the best lategame Toss I've seen in a while, and it's easily undone by an unlucky break and a single fungal. You need to watch Xigua vs Squirtle from IPL5 in Entombed Valley. That was painful to watch as a pro-balance pov. | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote: Hero should have lost that game when his army was obliterated but zerg mid game army sucks ass so he had to tech to broodlords and a game that should have ended after hero's failed 3 base push took another 20 minutes. Protoss wins pvz just as much as zerg stop complaining. If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong. It's not because the midgame army sucks. Leenock had to sacrifice drones to fend off the push. He didn't want to take the risk, cause frankly, if you can get infestor bl for a confirmed win, why not? I love it when zergs try to perpetuate the false rumour of zerg midgame being weak. And Protoss wins just as much? You mean only the top few protosses? And only through 2 or 3 base allins? Losing automatically in the late game? Good balance. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:23 Spacekyod wrote: I thought it was more gabber than anything... but that doesn't matter. I can't believe i'm saying this for a gsl tourney, but music selection is TOP NOTCH! Headhunterz man. 100% Hardstyle | ||
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lonelyPotato
Australia158 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote: Hero should have lost that game when his army was obliterated but zerg mid game army sucks ass so he had to tech to broodlords and a game that should have ended after hero's failed 3 base push took another 20 minutes. Protoss wins pvz just as much as zerg stop complaining. If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong. Yeah, pretty much. ZvP a long time ago consisted of Protoss getting their late game armies and it was impossible for the Zerg. However, win rates were pretty similar because Zergs would stop them from getting to their late game. Now Protoss is in the Zerg's shoes, but apparently it's imbalanced when Protosses late game Deathball isn't the strongest in the game anymore. I wouldn't say it's imbalanced, it's just bad game design where different races have stronger late game armies but weaker mid games. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:24 blade55555 wrote: Notice how I said "if". If you think that you are wrong. You pretty much imply it anyway when you say "that's how laughable pvz is" when balance wasn't the reason hero lost that. I think PvZ is laughable because of vortex but okay buddy | ||
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Taryssa
United States1628 Posts
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Maloreon
United States911 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:24 GreyKnight wrote: I think PvZ is laughable because of vortex but okay buddy PvZ is pretty stupid for a lot of reasons but lets be honest here - Leenock played better in that series by a large amount. I hate PvZ as much as the next guy but it's also really lame to discredit one of the best players in the world because of the race he plays or the choices that P's and Z's are forced into in this matchup. Anyway, on to MVP vs. Parting... | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:22 Boiler Bandsman wrote: I meant best lategame play in that game, not overall. And you can't seriously think that the way that mothership went down is right. That much investment into a unique unit undone by a massable tier 2 caster. It was great, but it wasn't perfect, after hero killed the corruptors he did a standard hero mistake ---> multitask zealot warpins all over the map but instead of zoning out the zerg army from his third, he tries to go for a base race and keeps the mothership with a small detachment in middle of the map. If he just zones out the zerg army back towards the zerg side, then Leenock is forced to do the spine crawler/spore crawler push, which is strong, but forces a longer stalemate and gives hero another chance. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:24 Belha wrote: You need to watch Xigua vs Squirtle from IPL5 in Entombed Valley. That was painful to watch as a pro-balance pov. honestly xigua played better than squirtle that game | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Maloreon
United States911 Posts
On December 17 2012 15:24 xAdra wrote: It's not because the midgame army sucks. Leenock had to sacrifice drones to fend off the push. He didn't want to take the risk, cause frankly, if you can get infestor bl for a confirmed win, why not? I love it when zergs try to perpetuate the false rumour of zerg midgame being weak. And Protoss wins just as much? You mean only the top few protosses? And only through 2 or 3 base allins? Losing automatically in the late game? Good balance. He doesn't mean Zerg can't win midgame - he means that when a Protoss goes Colossus you have ONE choice for composition and that is a fact. THAT is why Zerg steers towards end game because basically every game they have to defend a huge all-in or go up against Colossi. It feels weak (lack of options). | ||
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mclalimace
Canada66 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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Taryssa
United States1628 Posts
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