• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:23
CEST 14:23
KST 21:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War875.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War BSL23 Confirmations Starts on New BSL Portal
Tourneys
ASL 22 Finals [ASL22] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13720 users

[GSL] Blizzard Cup Group A - Page 56

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 54 55 56 57 58 136 Next
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1101
Aww this reminds me of Mvp's last GSL win. When he killed all the protoss. Please God, show us a repeat of your awesomeness.

Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1102
On December 17 2012 15:17 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
And that's lategame PvZ, people. That's the best lategame Toss I've seen in a while, and it's easily undone by an unlucky break and a single fungal.


You need to watch Xigua vs Squirtle from IPL5 in Entombed Valley. That was painful to watch as a pro-balance pov.
Chicken gank op
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1103
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:20 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:19 lonelyPotato wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Another great game where the entire game is determined by one mothership.

You really think the mothership determined the fate of the game? Really?


I agree, mothership vortex wouldn't have helped hero at all because a competent zerg can split his broodlords


Not really, Leenock had his Broodlords exposed so many times , Hero didn't pick up on it. Leenock didn't even split them.

Also splitting Broodlords is a lot more impractical than other units because they move super slowly.


Yes, that's how sad it is that Leenock didn't split them despite the danger of a vortex. That's how laughable PvZ is


Hero should have lost that game when his army was obliterated but zerg mid game army sucks ass so he had to tech to broodlords and a game that should have ended after hero's failed 3 base push took another 20 minutes. Protoss wins pvz just as much as zerg stop complaining.

If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong.

It's not because the midgame army sucks. Leenock had to sacrifice drones to fend off the push. He didn't want to take the risk, cause frankly, if you can get infestor bl for a confirmed win, why not? I love it when zergs try to perpetuate the false rumour of zerg midgame being weak. And Protoss wins just as much? You mean only the top few protosses? And only through 2 or 3 base allins? Losing automatically in the late game? Good balance.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 06:24:32
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1104
On December 17 2012 15:23 Spacekyod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:21 Za7oX wrote:
WOW WTF


They just played Hardstyle :D


I thought it was more gabber than anything... but that doesn't matter. I can't believe i'm saying this for a gsl tourney, but music selection is TOP NOTCH!

Headhunterz man. 100% Hardstyle
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
lonelyPotato
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia158 Posts
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1105
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:20 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:19 lonelyPotato wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Another great game where the entire game is determined by one mothership.

You really think the mothership determined the fate of the game? Really?


I agree, mothership vortex wouldn't have helped hero at all because a competent zerg can split his broodlords


Not really, Leenock had his Broodlords exposed so many times , Hero didn't pick up on it. Leenock didn't even split them.

Also splitting Broodlords is a lot more impractical than other units because they move super slowly.


Yes, that's how sad it is that Leenock didn't split them despite the danger of a vortex. That's how laughable PvZ is


Hero should have lost that game when his army was obliterated but zerg mid game army sucks ass so he had to tech to broodlords and a game that should have ended after hero's failed 3 base push took another 20 minutes. Protoss wins pvz just as much as zerg stop complaining.

If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong.


Yeah, pretty much. ZvP a long time ago consisted of Protoss getting their late game armies and it was impossible for the Zerg. However, win rates were pretty similar because Zergs would stop them from getting to their late game.

Now Protoss is in the Zerg's shoes, but apparently it's imbalanced when Protosses late game Deathball isn't the strongest in the game anymore.

I wouldn't say it's imbalanced, it's just bad game design where different races have stronger late game armies but weaker mid games.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 17 2012 06:24 GMT
#1106
On December 17 2012 15:24 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:22 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:20 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:19 lonelyPotato wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Another great game where the entire game is determined by one mothership.

You really think the mothership determined the fate of the game? Really?


I agree, mothership vortex wouldn't have helped hero at all because a competent zerg can split his broodlords


Not really, Leenock had his Broodlords exposed so many times , Hero didn't pick up on it. Leenock didn't even split them.

Also splitting Broodlords is a lot more impractical than other units because they move super slowly.


Yes, that's how sad it is that Leenock didn't split them despite the danger of a vortex. That's how laughable PvZ is


If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong.


Where did I say that?


Notice how I said "if". If you think that you are wrong. You pretty much imply it anyway when you say "that's how laughable pvz is" when balance wasn't the reason hero lost that.


I think PvZ is laughable because of vortex but okay buddy
Taryssa
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1628 Posts
December 17 2012 06:25 GMT
#1107
cmon MVP! glad to see you opening bio this time
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 06:26 GMT
#1108
On December 17 2012 15:24 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:24 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:22 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:20 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:19 lonelyPotato wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Another great game where the entire game is determined by one mothership.

You really think the mothership determined the fate of the game? Really?


I agree, mothership vortex wouldn't have helped hero at all because a competent zerg can split his broodlords


Not really, Leenock had his Broodlords exposed so many times , Hero didn't pick up on it. Leenock didn't even split them.

Also splitting Broodlords is a lot more impractical than other units because they move super slowly.


Yes, that's how sad it is that Leenock didn't split them despite the danger of a vortex. That's how laughable PvZ is


If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong.


Where did I say that?


Notice how I said "if". If you think that you are wrong. You pretty much imply it anyway when you say "that's how laughable pvz is" when balance wasn't the reason hero lost that.


I think PvZ is laughable because of vortex but okay buddy


PvZ is pretty stupid for a lot of reasons but lets be honest here - Leenock played better in that series by a large amount. I hate PvZ as much as the next guy but it's also really lame to discredit one of the best players in the world because of the race he plays or the choices that P's and Z's are forced into in this matchup. Anyway, on to MVP vs. Parting...
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 17 2012 06:27 GMT
#1109
On December 17 2012 15:22 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:22 AgentW wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:21 Corsica wrote:
surprise leenock is much better than violet.


4-4 in IPL says otherwise.


It was 7-5

My mistake.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
December 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#1110
On December 17 2012 15:22 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:20 willyallthewei wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
And that's lategame PvZ, people. That's the best lategame Toss I've seen in a while, and it's easily undone by an unlucky break and a single fungal.


Hero was way behind, and he isn't the best toss in any area or way, he's wildly inconsistent and reckless with his tactical choices. It makes for flashy games, but if hero was just slightly more boring like a creator or squirtle he'd be a heck of a lot better, and he would've crushed Leenock in game 1 and never would've needed to come from behind in game 3.


I meant best lategame play in that game, not overall. And you can't seriously think that the way that mothership went down is right. That much investment into a unique unit undone by a massable tier 2 caster.


It was great, but it wasn't perfect, after hero killed the corruptors he did a standard hero mistake ---> multitask zealot warpins all over the map but instead of zoning out the zerg army from his third, he tries to go for a base race and keeps the mothership with a small detachment in middle of the map.

If he just zones out the zerg army back towards the zerg side, then Leenock is forced to do the spine crawler/spore crawler push, which is strong, but forces a longer stalemate and gives hero another chance.
"never give up, never surrender"
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#1111
On December 17 2012 15:24 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:17 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
And that's lategame PvZ, people. That's the best lategame Toss I've seen in a while, and it's easily undone by an unlucky break and a single fungal.


You need to watch Xigua vs Squirtle from IPL5 in Entombed Valley. That was painful to watch as a pro-balance pov.

honestly xigua played better than squirtle that game
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#1112
Parting pushing a bit too far there
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#1113
That micro from Parting....so much better than any other P.
Chicken gank op
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
December 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#1114
all this MMM micro will fry IMMvp's wrists
moo...for DRG
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 17 2012 06:30 GMT
#1115
HOW DOES Mvp KNOW TO DO THIS!??!?!??
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 17 2012 06:30 GMT
#1116
CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 17 2012 06:30 GMT
#1117
On December 17 2012 15:24 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 15:21 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:20 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:19 lonelyPotato wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:17 Belha wrote:
On December 17 2012 15:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Another great game where the entire game is determined by one mothership.

You really think the mothership determined the fate of the game? Really?


I agree, mothership vortex wouldn't have helped hero at all because a competent zerg can split his broodlords


Not really, Leenock had his Broodlords exposed so many times , Hero didn't pick up on it. Leenock didn't even split them.

Also splitting Broodlords is a lot more impractical than other units because they move super slowly.


Yes, that's how sad it is that Leenock didn't split them despite the danger of a vortex. That's how laughable PvZ is


Hero should have lost that game when his army was obliterated but zerg mid game army sucks ass so he had to tech to broodlords and a game that should have ended after hero's failed 3 base push took another 20 minutes. Protoss wins pvz just as much as zerg stop complaining.

If you think hero outplayed leenock and deserved the win you are way wrong.

It's not because the midgame army sucks. Leenock had to sacrifice drones to fend off the push. He didn't want to take the risk, cause frankly, if you can get infestor bl for a confirmed win, why not? I love it when zergs try to perpetuate the false rumour of zerg midgame being weak. And Protoss wins just as much? You mean only the top few protosses? And only through 2 or 3 base allins? Losing automatically in the late game? Good balance.


He doesn't mean Zerg can't win midgame - he means that when a Protoss goes Colossus you have ONE choice for composition and that is a fact. THAT is why Zerg steers towards end game because basically every game they have to defend a huge all-in or go up against Colossi. It feels weak (lack of options).
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
mclalimace
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada66 Posts
December 17 2012 06:31 GMT
#1118
DAT SCV TRAIN
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 17 2012 06:31 GMT
#1119
ah MVP fucked up his control there just a-movred the scvs to die
Taryssa
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1628 Posts
December 17 2012 06:31 GMT
#1120
Wow that was a close fight
Prev 1 54 55 56 57 58 136 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
20:00
2026 Week 27
IntoTheiNu 733
RotterdaM352
WardiTV341
TKL 232
SteadfastSC91
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 352
Lowko313
Reynor 247
TKL 232
SteadfastSC 91
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2278
Shuttle 1728
Horang2 892
BeSt 573
FanTaSy 545
Mini 413
EffOrt 353
Soma 320
Larva 252
Zeus 208
[ Show more ]
Light 170
Snow 170
Last 153
ZerO 132
Hyun 119
Dewaltoss 71
Pusan 65
ToSsGirL 48
Sharp 44
hero 43
Mong 38
PianO 29
sSak 28
sorry 26
Creator 20
NotJumperer 19
Shinee 19
Bishop 18
Sacsri 18
JYJ 18
yabsab 14
scan(afreeca) 9
Noble 8
Icarus 1
Dota 2
Gorgc3634
Dendi1060
resolut1ontv 158
syndereN107
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1488
fl0m815
Other Games
singsing2300
B2W.Neo711
byalli237
crisheroes225
hiko208
DeMusliM164
KnowMe130
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick601
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
lovetv 10
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 51
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• HerbMon 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
21h 37m
WardiTV Qualifier
22h 37m
Online Event
1d 22h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-13
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.