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Ladies and gentlemen, it is page 143 and any patchzerg, balance related commentary and the usual bashing etc from this point on will be met with harsh moderation.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2641
On December 01 2012 08:36 TriZ wrote:
Where is Xigua vs Squirtle :o


1-0 for Sq, currently in between games.
#1 Grubby Fan.
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2642
hasn't huk spent huge amounts of time in korea? both yoda and sniper seem to have no idea how he plays.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2643
On December 01 2012 08:35 Maloreon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:33 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:31 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:29 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).


It all depends on what the Zerg is investing in. Most zergs nowadays expect the pre-hive timing and focus on getting base defense and a strong defensive comp instead of getting more tech/expansions/macro infrastructure. If the Terran realizes that the Zerg is preparing in this manner, he can just scrap the push and tech/expand faster because the Zerg is investing in defense.


And tech to what? Ravens? BOOM ultralisks are in the house! Battlecruisers? Ghosts? Thors???


There is a really good game played by Thorzain recently (amongst others) that shows how to play this endgame comp. I have the replay saved on my PC but too lazy to get up and link it. I'm not going to discuss this anymore since I don't want to participate in any balance discussion and get banned.

I think there are solutions and they have already been shown by pros, it just takes a ton of patience to play the style and we probably won't see it consistently until well into HotS.

Have you just started reading this thread?
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2644
On December 01 2012 08:35 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 projectChaos wrote:
Zerg only finals incoming, but it is ok the numbers are showing balance.

GOD DAMN IT BLIZZARD WHY DON'T YOU NERF LINGS/BANELINGS/MUTALISK..OH HELL JUST NERF EVERYTHING ZERG SINCE THEY SO OVERPOWERED


rofl... not gonna lie this post made me lol irl. caps for moar power
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2645
hm is there any tvt or tvp incoming any time soon?
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7997 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2646
the only reason huk is minig gas in pvz is to hide his 8 gates
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2647
On December 01 2012 08:37 Tayar wrote:
hasn't huk spent huge amounts of time in korea? both yoda and sniper seem to have no idea how he plays.

because they are in GM
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2648
On December 01 2012 08:36 TriZ wrote:
Where is Xigua vs Squirtle :o


http://sv.twitch.tv/ignproleague3/popout
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2649
On December 01 2012 08:36 TriZ wrote:
Where is Xigua vs Squirtle :o

stream 3 :o
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2650
On December 01 2012 08:35 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 projectChaos wrote:
Zerg only finals incoming, but it is ok the numbers are showing balance.

GOD DAMN IT BLIZZARD WHY DON'T YOU NERF LINGS/BANELINGS/MUTALISK..OH HELL JUST NERF EVERYTHING ZERG SINCE THEY SO OVERPOWERED

It was funny the first time
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 23:38:37
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2651
Hyun and Sniper are tired, GSL finals will be TvT!!!
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2652
On December 01 2012 08:37 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 Makro wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?

Because mass ravens is hilarious

also happen to have this saved from a FFA I played with friends a long time ago

[image loading]
[image loading]


split didn't exist in starcraft 2 when u took this screenshot? xD


Neither feedback by the looks of it, but he is talking about hilarious, and yes they are. I wanted to ask how the fuck would you build 20 ravens on 1vs1 TvZ against a player who can actually punish you for that ?


If your opponent has humour, you can do it.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2653
On December 01 2012 08:35 Maloreon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:33 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:31 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:29 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).


It all depends on what the Zerg is investing in. Most zergs nowadays expect the pre-hive timing and focus on getting base defense and a strong defensive comp instead of getting more tech/expansions/macro infrastructure. If the Terran realizes that the Zerg is preparing in this manner, he can just scrap the push and tech/expand faster because the Zerg is investing in defense.


And tech to what? Ravens? BOOM ultralisks are in the house! Battlecruisers? Ghosts? Thors???


There is a really good game played by Thorzain recently (amongst others) that shows how to play this endgame comp. I have the replay saved on my PC but too lazy to get up and link it. I'm not going to discuss this anymore since I don't want to participate in any balance discussion and get banned.

I think there are solutions and they have already been shown by pros, it just takes a ton of patience to play the style and we probably won't see it consistently until well into HotS.

do you mean the 1h20min game on Cloud Kingdom vs Targa?
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2654
On December 01 2012 08:38 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Hyun and Sniper are tired, GSL finals will be TvT!!!

That would be amazing. Best matchup by far
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
DasHawk
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark362 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2655
Show Sniper vs. HuK ... naaaao, before i fall asleep
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
November 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#2656
We need a poll. Is Huk a fan favorite ? yes/no. That will decide if sniper takes this series or not.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#2657
On December 01 2012 08:34 projectChaos wrote:
Zerg only finals incoming, but it is ok the numbers are showing balance.


Yeah, thats the most important thing.

And if not, Infested Terran EGGS will get nerfed trololol.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#2658
I've already seen Life lose to Snute today, Bomber better not lose to Snute too.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#2659
I don't know if anyone else is having terrible lag like me, but popping out seems to help.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 30 2012 23:39 GMT
#2660
On December 01 2012 08:37 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:35 Maloreon wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:33 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:31 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:29 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).


It all depends on what the Zerg is investing in. Most zergs nowadays expect the pre-hive timing and focus on getting base defense and a strong defensive comp instead of getting more tech/expansions/macro infrastructure. If the Terran realizes that the Zerg is preparing in this manner, he can just scrap the push and tech/expand faster because the Zerg is investing in defense.


And tech to what? Ravens? BOOM ultralisks are in the house! Battlecruisers? Ghosts? Thors???


There is a really good game played by Thorzain recently (amongst others) that shows how to play this endgame comp. I have the replay saved on my PC but too lazy to get up and link it. I'm not going to discuss this anymore since I don't want to participate in any balance discussion and get banned.

I think there are solutions and they have already been shown by pros, it just takes a ton of patience to play the style and we probably won't see it consistently until well into HotS.

Have you just started reading this thread?


I have read the last two days. Lots of people get temp banned (including me) in other LR's for similar discussion and rightly so for derailing the discussion. Anyways I'm done, I just hope people can see that are are more options for all races in end-game. Mostly it is a combination of tech choice + unit control.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
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