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Ladies and gentlemen, it is page 143 and any patchzerg, balance related commentary and the usual bashing etc from this point on will be met with harsh moderation.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2621
Is HuK on anytime soon?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2622
Grubby has turned out to be a fantastic caster. I am so impressed and really looking forward to more casting from him.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2623
On December 01 2012 08:33 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:31 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:29 Snowbear wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:23 MasterKang wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:22 Pandain wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Snowbear wrote:
Can someone tell me why alive lost this one? I don't see his mistake


His mid game timing got absolutely crushed and from there it was an uphill battle which he almost did but couldn't quite micro like the God you need to to make TvZ comebacks.

But people probably forgot about that push and instead complain about balance.


and why do terran lose 90% of games if their mid-game push doesn't do insane damage? hmm...


Maybe because they invest majorly in the push and don't get up a nice infrastructure plus expansions? Maybe because pushes in general tend to hurt the player doing them if no damage is done? -__-


But the question is, why didn't the push do damage? I saw good tank spread, siege, and splits. I don't see what alive could've done better with that push (not saying Z is imba guys, just wondering what alive did wrong!!!).


It all depends on what the Zerg is investing in. Most zergs nowadays expect the pre-hive timing and focus on getting base defense and a strong defensive comp instead of getting more tech/expansions/macro infrastructure. If the Terran realizes that the Zerg is preparing in this manner, he can just scrap the push and tech/expand faster because the Zerg is investing in defense.


And tech to what? Ravens? BOOM ultralisks are in the house! Battlecruisers? Ghosts? Thors???


There is a really good game played by Thorzain recently (amongst others) that shows how to play this endgame comp. I have the replay saved on my PC but too lazy to get up and link it. I'm not going to discuss this anymore since I don't want to participate in any balance discussion and get banned.

I think there are solutions and they have already been shown by pros, it just takes a ton of patience to play the style and we probably won't see it consistently until well into HotS.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2624
On December 01 2012 08:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 Asha` wrote:
If Bomber loses to Snute I will probably break something =(

Bomber has been playing too well today. it's only a matter of time before he...



bombs out


Bomber fans are like Stark fans. You know some terrible shit is about to happen to him.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 23:36:00
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2625
On December 01 2012 08:34 Asha` wrote:
If Bomber loses to Snute I will probably break something =(

I will break something all right
I'll break my fucking door down as I run into the street screaming in joy
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2626
On December 01 2012 08:35 Pandemona wrote:
Is HuK on anytime soon?


stream 2 right now.
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oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#2627
On December 01 2012 08:34 projectChaos wrote:
Zerg only finals incoming, but it is ok the numbers are showing balance.

GOD DAMN IT BLIZZARD WHY DON'T YOU NERF LINGS/BANELINGS/MUTALISK..OH HELL JUST NERF EVERYTHING ZERG SINCE THEY SO OVERPOWERED
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2628
On December 01 2012 08:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 Asha` wrote:
If Bomber loses to Snute I will probably break something =(

Bomber has been playing too well today. it's only a matter of time before he...



bombs out


What I thought completely. But Creator vs Bomber will be a great match though... but as a Prime fan... heh
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2629
On December 01 2012 08:34 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?

Because mass ravens is hilarious

also happen to have this saved from a FFA I played with friends a long time ago

[image loading]
[image loading]


split didn't exist in starcraft 2 when u took this screenshot? xD

HTs are slow
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2630
On December 01 2012 08:35 Ettick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 Asha` wrote:
If Bomber loses to Snute I will probably break something =(

I will break something all right
I'll break my fucking door down as I run into the street screaming in joy

Pretty much this.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2631
On December 01 2012 08:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 Asha` wrote:
If Bomber loses to Snute I will probably break something =(

Bomber has been playing too well today. it's only a matter of time before he...



bombs out


That's not funny.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2632
On December 01 2012 08:34 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?

Because mass ravens is hilarious

also happen to have this saved from a FFA I played with friends a long time ago

[image loading]
[image loading]


split didn't exist in starcraft 2 when u took this screenshot? xD


They are already gone, HaXX so ahead of the meta <o/
Terran & Potato Salad.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2633
On December 01 2012 08:35 Pandemona wrote:
Is HuK on anytime soon?

Huk vs Sniper game 1 on Stream 2
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2634
On December 01 2012 08:33 Zelniq wrote:
hyun's roach/ling/bane timing soulful or soulless?

Pretty Soulful imo. Takes Soul for a Zerg to do a big bust like that nowadays when every other one is just sticking with the late game.
TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2635
Where is Xigua vs Squirtle :o
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 23:37:11
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2636
On December 01 2012 08:31 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:26 Prof wrote:
Xigua 22 slow lings???? And just think this guy is already in the money and he won't have to win a single game. Stupid tournament bracket setup.
They pay him for winning the Chinese regional.

They pay him for being the Chinese representative, because the potential of the Chinese market is huge, even if their best player may not be really as good as the top players from other regions. But still, it's not exactly free money, think of it as money added towards the prize for the Chinese regional itself.


Xigua is the grand son of one of the richest man in China - the man who OWNs the IG organization, which is the biggest Chinese eSports organization. Don't think he cares one little bit about the money he wins.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2637
On December 01 2012 08:35 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:34 projectChaos wrote:
Zerg only finals incoming, but it is ok the numbers are showing balance.

GOD DAMN IT BLIZZARD WHY DON'T YOU NERF LINGS/BANELINGS/MUTALISK..OH HELL JUST NERF EVERYTHING ZERG SINCE THEY SO OVERPOWERED

Remember when Zerg was underpowered?

I remember. I feel old.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#2638
On December 01 2012 08:35 Psychobabas wrote:
Grubby has turned out to be a fantastic caster. I am so impressed and really looking forward to more casting from him.


Indeed another pro player into caster that i like

Artosis - Tasteless - Day9 - Incontrol - Apollo - Grubby

My fave casters, i could add IdrA as his casting is good, but he is a player first so xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2639
On December 01 2012 08:34 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:20 Godwrath wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:19 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 01 2012 08:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
lawl HSM


Z makes 20 infestors, is OP

T makes 3 ravens, HSM obviously sucks


errrrr


well fungal always connects \:D/


And how the fuck do you build 20 Ravens ?


And why the fuck would you build 20 ravens anyway ?

Because mass ravens is hilarious

also happen to have this saved from a FFA I played with friends a long time ago

[image loading]
[image loading]


split didn't exist in starcraft 2 when u took this screenshot? xD


Neither feedback by the looks of it, but he is talking about hilarious, and yes they are. I wanted to ask how the fuck would you build 20 ravens on 1vs1 TvZ against a player who can actually punish you for that ?
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 30 2012 23:37 GMT
#2640
On December 01 2012 08:36 TriZ wrote:
Where is Xigua vs Squirtle :o

Stream 3. At least the first game was.
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