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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#1101
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!




This man speaks the truth.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#1102
I THINK if it's a 2-1 NANI goes through.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#1103
On November 24 2012 01:45 Martijn wrote:
Fraer up 1-0 vs Snute on glhf :}

Stop posting here, make the next map start!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 16:47:43
November 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#1104
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores

it's already been confirmed by the DH admins
Trashman420
Profile Joined September 2012
232 Posts
November 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#1105
On November 24 2012 01:42 OKMarius wrote:
What, did Snute lose 2-0 to Elfi? Why does liquipedia say he's guaranteed to go through?

points (potential 2-3 vs. 2-3) > map score (potential 5-7 is the same as 6-8) > head to head (snute beat thestc). snute is guarranteed 3rd spot, 2nd if he beats fraer.
Foreigners fighting
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 23 2012 16:47 GMT
#1106
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores


Right, Ret doesn't count.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 16:50:52
November 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#1107
On November 24 2012 01:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:36 Waxangel wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Although this is all slightly amusing, it's pretty bad casters aren't fully informed on how tiebreakers work for the tournament they're casting. Whether this is on the casters or on the tournament I don't know. I hope the DH/ESL/MLG partnership will take a look at tiebreaker rules and unify them and release them publicly.


ESL and MLG rules are public and pretty easy to find

Unifying being the key word. The issue is there are too many tournaments for the casters to understand all the tiebreaker rules of. Same goes for player information and viewer information.


That would certainly make it easier, but I still think it's largely the casters job to actually familiarize themselves with the rules of the tournament that they going to cast. And same goes for players who are going to play in it. Timewise I don't think it would take more than a half an hour or so to go through the rules and I think that should be excepted for professional casters and players.

Then it's a completely different thing if the tournament rules are not clearly set or they are not easily available well before the tournament.

Assuming that the tournament rules were available for the casters to study beforehand, a caster to make jokes like "I don't really know how this is going to work/this situation is really confusing, etc" just says to me that that caster is not really doing his job.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 16:48:26
November 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#1108
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores


Oh ret wouldn't count OK!
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 16:48:33
November 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#1109
On November 24 2012 01:48 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores


I don't understand. Nightend went 2-1 vs nani, 1-2 vs forgg, and if he goes 2-0 vs ret isn't that 5-3.

The games vs ret don't matter, only the map score between the tied players does.
Billmaan
Profile Joined July 2011
7 Posts
November 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#1110
On November 24 2012 01:44 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:42 Billmaan wrote:
Here's the rulebook from 2011 DHW: http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw11/files/2011/11/DHW11-StarCraftIIRulebook-1.1.pdf

According to that rulebook, matches won > maps won > map difference > head-to-head > map score among tied participants. Hence if Ret beats NightEnD, be it 2-1 or 2-0, then he will advance, as he will have won more maps (6) than NaNiwa, ForGG, or NightEnD. If NightEnD wins 2-1, then it goes to the head-to-head tiebreaker between NaNiwa and ForGG, and NaNiwa advances. If NightEnD wins 2-0, then he, NaNiwa, and ForGG all have the same maps won and map difference, and there's a three-way head-to-head tie, so NaNiwa advances based on map score among himself, ForGG, and NightEnD.

TLDR: If Ret wins, he advances. If NightEnD wins, then NaNiwa advances. (Either way, everyone bitches about the tiebreaker procedures.)

They don't seem to have a 2012 rulebook for SC2. They do have one for CS:GO, which appears to use the same tiebreakers. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it seems reasonable to presume that the tiebreakers haven't changed since last year.

From the casters, which they said the info comes from an admin, a 6-8 map score is the same as a 5-7

It could be that I misunderstood what they meant by "points" in the rulebook, and they really meant "matches won". In that case "maps won" isn't even considered. So if Ret wins 2-0, he advances, and in all other cases NaNiwa advances.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 23 2012 16:48 GMT
#1111
On November 24 2012 01:47 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores


Right, Ret doesn't count.

...why would Ret matter if Nightend wins 2-0?

Ret can only advance if he wins 2-0, we've already settled this, anything else and Nani wins
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
November 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#1112
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores

it's already been confirmed by the DH admins


So it's internal mapscore before overall mapscore?

Does this mean that Snute advances even with a 2-0 deafeat against fraer?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#1113
At least one RoX.KIS player makes it through, after Jookto baneling busted TitaN in BYOC. T_T
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 16:50:12
November 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#1114
On November 24 2012 01:49 Wivyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores

it's already been confirmed by the DH admins


So it's internal mapscore before overall mapscore?

Does this mean that Snute advances even with a 2-0 deafeat against fraer?

yes

now brb dinner, hope you won't argue yourselves to death ^^
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
November 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#1115
The casters embarassing themselves
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
November 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#1116
Really analytical and smart like that tremendously roundabout baseball analogy to make a trivial point?

OIC
eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
November 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#1117
Incontrol and Apollo are really good together imo.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#1118
On November 24 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 01:45 -_- wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:44 MyFirstProbe wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 24 2012 01:42 Gladiator333 wrote:
NightEnD has really good PvZ, will be suprised if he doesn't take a game of Ret. Also considering some of the mistakes we've seen Ret make so far.


Yeah but, Nightend has nothing to fight for except his pride.


No, if he wins 2-0 he gets into a 3-way tie with Naniwa and fOrGG.


I think he also ties with nani on INTERNAL mapscore 5 to 3!



SO THAT PEOPLE STOP REPEATING THIS

Nightend winning 2-0 means Nani advances, as:

Nani 1-1, 3-2
ForGG 1-1, 2-3
NightEnD 1-1, 3-3
3-2 > 3-3 > 2-3

on internal mapscores

it's already been confirmed by the DH admins


Mods please have this as a note or something so people stop asking... -_-
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 23 2012 16:51 GMT
#1119
no stargate?
really?
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
November 23 2012 16:51 GMT
#1120
So, Naniwa pretty much advances if NightEnd even takes one game?
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