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Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
November 20 2012 10:51 GMT
#1061
On November 20 2012 19:49 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X


are you serious? he's one of the best zergs.


According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC.


4rd?! LOL
Herp Derp
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
November 20 2012 10:51 GMT
#1062
Looking forward to Ryung making MKP cry
prophetGMS
Profile Joined November 2012
France129 Posts
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1063
OH soul train is not a good idea to beat Hyun again toss he always goes for early roaches
what a rape
Hyun is on fire and please he won without infestors so it is not a matter of imbalance
BroodWar for ever
Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1064
He could have dropped over 300 infested terrans, or fungal.

Also why doesn't fungal infect your own units?
everything is gravity
Roth
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany165 Posts
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1065
Whats the song? Sounds like Billy Talent, doesn't it?
Day[9] - "That stupid ice cream truck representing happiness!"
polishedturd
Profile Joined October 2010
United States505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 10:53:10
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1066
On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition

hurp durp


That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD

Maek Infestor hurp durp


no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows


What is the strongest protoss composition?


blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership

any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord


I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard?

Answer that last question for me please.,,


nobody plays airtoss

unit tester, lol


Ok I'm done with you... Whatever.


why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory

toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs
http://i.imgur.com/EbrnM.jpg
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1067
On November 20 2012 19:52 Roth wrote:
Whats the song? Sounds like Billy Talent, doesn't it?

I think it is.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
November 20 2012 10:52 GMT
#1068
On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
[quote]

no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows


It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue.


Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition.


Please tell us what counters Hyun's army.


From my point of view... ie my post above
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816&currentpage=43#844

It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army.


You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss?

Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro?
I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then


I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal.

1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up


if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once?

also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester.

It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.

I'm not so sure about 30, but it seems pretty feasible to me to manage and split up 15-20 HTs into little groups of 3-4.

I must go to Unit Tester later.
I love crazymoving
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1069
At least we will see no more PvZs in this season. The last P just dropped out....
monchi | IdrA | Flash
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1070
On November 20 2012 19:51 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:
[quote]

It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue.


Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition.


Please tell us what counters Hyun's army.


From my point of view... ie my post above
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816&currentpage=43#844

It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army.


You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss?

Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro?
I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then


I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal.

1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up

It might be if the fungal nerf goes through though!
if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once?

also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester.

It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.


But i heard pros should split their units and pathing is ok and should not be changed (cause it gives nothing). Keke
Stork[gm]
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1071
OMG TvT tiem :>
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1072
This also means the finals will be a veteran vs. a royal roader again. Innovation, Soulkey and Hyun are all first timers in Code S.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1073
On November 20 2012 19:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:50 Sabu113 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:
[quote]

Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition.


Please tell us what counters Hyun's army.


From my point of view... ie my post above
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816&currentpage=43#844

It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army.


You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss?

Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro?
I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then


I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal.

1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up


if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once?

also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester.

It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.


Theoretically a HT shouldnt get the feedback off right? Fungal +spread > Feedback range on top of a faster movespeed?

edit: I mean while we're talking about spltting.


yeah, they have the same range and fungal is further because it has a radius.


fungal outranges every protoss unit + spell(except vortex).
Progamer
SolidZeal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States393 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 10:54:11
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1074
Ouch that PvZ series was bad. it's been a while since I've watched a pro match, I've been trying to see HotS, and wow what a game to watch. It makes me think that blizzard ought to have drastically change the game sooner, because that was just painful to see. I love sc2, but that game makes me wonder how it is still an esport.
In the clearing stands a boxer and a figher by his trade
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1075
On November 20 2012 19:52 polishedturd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition

hurp durp


That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD

Maek Infestor hurp durp


no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows


What is the strongest protoss composition?


blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership

any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord


I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard?

Answer that last question for me please.,,


nobody plays airtoss

unit tester, lol


Ok I'm done with you... Whatever.


why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory

toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs

Yeah that scrub MC.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1076
Can MKP do it.........i hope so, Hyun vs MKP will be fun (if that is how the brackets are working)
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Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1077
MKP is such a good looking dude, I don't understand why he wears those terrible terrible glasses. He looks so goofy with them!
Herp Derp
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1078
On November 20 2012 19:51 Pwnzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:49 Godwrath wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X


are you serious? he's one of the best zergs.


According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC.


4rd?! LOL


Yea dude... you never heard of 4rd??

Best American car company!
Livin' this life like it was written.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4524 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1079
On November 20 2012 19:52 polishedturd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.

Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.

But infestor. g fucking g


misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition

hurp durp


That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD

Maek Infestor hurp durp


no it isn't

im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows


What is the strongest protoss composition?


blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership

any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord


I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard?

Answer that last question for me please.,,


nobody plays airtoss

unit tester, lol


Ok I'm done with you... Whatever.


why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory

toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs

Well that's that then..

Rain, the current OSL champion is a scrub.

I'm out of here.
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shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
November 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#1080
Ryung please make marineking cry. Its been so long.
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