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On November 20 2012 19:49 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X are you serious? he's one of the best zergs. According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC.
4rd?! LOL
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Looking forward to Ryung making MKP cry
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OH soul train is not a good idea to beat Hyun again toss he always goes for early roaches
what a rape
Hyun is on fire and please he won without infestors so it is not a matter of imbalance
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He could have dropped over 300 infested terrans, or fungal.
Also why doesn't fungal infect your own units?
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Whats the song? Sounds like Billy Talent, doesn't it?
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On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,, nobody plays airtoss unit tester, lol Ok I'm done with you... Whatever.
why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory
toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs
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Norway25712 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:52 Roth wrote:
Whats the song? Sounds like Billy Talent, doesn't it?
I think it is.
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On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
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no it isn't
im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue. Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.
I'm not so sure about 30, but it seems pretty feasible to me to manage and split up 15-20 HTs into little groups of 3-4.
I must go to Unit Tester later.
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At least we will see no more PvZs in this season. The last P just dropped out....
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On November 20 2012 19:51 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:
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It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue.
Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up It might be if the fungal nerf goes through though! if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.
But i heard pros should split their units and pathing is ok and should not be changed (cause it gives nothing). Keke
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United States23455 Posts
This also means the finals will be a veteran vs. a royal roader again. Innovation, Soulkey and Hyun are all first timers in Code S.
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On November 20 2012 19:51 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:50 Sabu113 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:
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Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it. Theoretically a HT shouldnt get the feedback off right? Fungal +spread > Feedback range on top of a faster movespeed? edit: I mean while we're talking about spltting. yeah, they have the same range and fungal is further because it has a radius.
fungal outranges every protoss unit + spell(except vortex).
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Ouch that PvZ series was bad. it's been a while since I've watched a pro match, I've been trying to see HotS, and wow what a game to watch. It makes me think that blizzard ought to have drastically change the game sooner, because that was just painful to see. I love sc2, but that game makes me wonder how it is still an esport.
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On November 20 2012 19:52 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,, nobody plays airtoss unit tester, lol Ok I'm done with you... Whatever. why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs
Yeah that scrub MC.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Can MKP do it.........i hope so, Hyun vs MKP will be fun (if that is how the brackets are working)
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MKP is such a good looking dude, I don't understand why he wears those terrible terrible glasses. He looks so goofy with them!
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On November 20 2012 19:51 Pwnzer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:49 Godwrath wrote:On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X are you serious? he's one of the best zergs. According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC. 4rd?! LOL
Yea dude... you never heard of 4rd??
Best American car company!
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On November 20 2012 19:52 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:49 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,, nobody plays airtoss unit tester, lol Ok I'm done with you... Whatever. why exactly? why don't you pull up the last 10 or so 20 minte+ PvZs in the gsl and see how many protosses went for stargate tech. then show me how many of those protosses managed to eek a victory toss wins in this matchup come from timings, whether they be 10 minute immo/sentry or 16 minute blink/colo. lategame stargate is for scrubs
Well that's that then..
Rain, the current OSL champion is a scrub.
I'm out of here.
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Ryung please make marineking cry. Its been so long.
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