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On November 20 2012 19:44 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:42 FakeDeath wrote:
Creator fucked up.
He had no reason to attack into that zerg deathball and could have just wait it out.
Since both players can't engaged each other( this is why design wise ZvP is fucking boring). Wait. Can't zerg attack? With 33 infestors you just need to land a few fungals and bam you can chain them and keep on dropping infested terrans. Worse comes to worse he has to burn some energy. Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:35 nojok wrote:
Just don't let the zerg do his perfect army comp. People did not complained as much about 3 3 mech in BW. Great point. Counterpoint would be look at which race have the iniative to grab more bases. Yeah. Back to watching some stork vods from '10
No, he can't go out and attack because of storm/feedback...needs to whittle down army as he defends, which he did
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On November 20 2012 19:44 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:43 Mikau wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 FakeDeath wrote:
Creator fucked up.
He had no reason to attack into that zerg deathball and could have just wait it out.
Since both players can't engaged each other( this is why design wise ZvP is fucking boring). Wait for what lol? more infestors to come out! lol
My point exactly. It's never going to get better for Creator, all he can hope for is to catch Hyun out of position, which I think is foolish to hope for.
I wonder if it's possible to win this by flying into the main for Creator. Keep your mothership at the 4th, recall if Hyun attacks. You still probably won't win the fight, but at least you destroy all Hyun's tech and you force him into an unfavourable position by attacking into you.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51103 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X
good players make it far.
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On November 20 2012 19:45 Poopi wrote:
Why everyone from United States on here spells should have, should of? I heard it's the same pronunciation but how it is that every non native english speaker writes it should have o_o.
Sad for Creator but PvZ is almost as hard as TvZ so no surprise, it's easy to lose against decent zergs.
MarineKing tiime :D.
Orthography is, like, hard, bro!
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:46 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 17:50 Fionn wrote:
Hyun 3 - 1 Creator
Ryung 3 - 2 MKP
I kinda want Ryung to win, get on the mic, and then talk about how Boxer and Jessica never saw his true potential, how if they paid more attention to him that their team might have never died, and then Ryung jumps off stage to punch MMA in the face.
A legend is born. one for one ryung don't fail me now
pretty badass Fionn.
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United States23455 Posts
Hyun is going to be pretty prepared in Vegas. The best three players on his team beside himself are all traveling to IPL5 and will be able to practice with.
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Gogo Ryung.
Oh yay this song again.
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On November 20 2012 19:44 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:44 synapse wrote:
so, guaranteed kespa player in finals? does hyun count as a kespa player? Not really imho.
i mean he definitely started sc2 before all the bw pros switched but it was only since march iirc. not really sure how to categorize him xD
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On November 20 2012 19:43 Gorg wrote:
looks like his young age and inexperience is showing. tilting like this is unacceptable for a professional.
Yes. Because a pro = a robot. How can we suppose a human being can have emotions, frustration, etc.
On a serious note, its from our nature. He was very frustrated from game 3 and throw the gsl away.
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Back to talking about the Daybreak game. Rain beat Killer (yes I know killer is a worse player) with Killer having a similar composition. Like 30 infestors 15 broods and the rest of supply in corrupters. Rain beat it with carriers, NO void rays, and about 20 Templar. He just mass storm/feedback the whole time while colossus/carriers did damage from far. It was also on daybreak. So if the VOD for Rain vs Killer is up somewhere, it is a great example of how a toss can deal with it. Not saying it is the definitive answer, Rain could have gotten lucky, but it did work for him that game and I wonder if it would have worked here vs Hyun. Also, PvZ... let's be honest. Rain>Creator.
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On November 20 2012 19:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:44 synapse wrote:
so, guaranteed kespa player in finals? does hyun count as a kespa player? not sure you would call hyun kespa, if you did then most esf players are considered "kespa" if they were on a kespa team back in their bw days, so I would say no you don't.
i guess i consider him a kespa player because he switched over pretty late compared to the others, no?
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your soul is mine!!
TSL fighting
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On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:
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misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition
hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue. Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal.
Mass HTs dies to one Broodlord or Roach 
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To me TvT is most boring matchup.
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On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,,
nobody plays airtoss
unit tester, lol
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On November 20 2012 19:47 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:44 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:On November 20 2012 19:43 Mikau wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 FakeDeath wrote:
Creator fucked up.
He had no reason to attack into that zerg deathball and could have just wait it out.
Since both players can't engaged each other( this is why design wise ZvP is fucking boring). Wait for what lol? more infestors to come out! lol My point exactly. It's never going to get better for Creator, all he can hope for is to catch Hyun out of position, which I think is foolish to hope for. I wonder if it's possible to win this by flying into the main for Creator. Keep your mothership at the 4th, recall if Hyun attacks. You still probably won't win the fight, but at least you destroy all Hyun's tech and you force him into an unfavourable position by attacking into you.
And zerg cant mass IT because there is no floor. Thats a nice idea on maps like Daybreak actually
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X
are you serious? he's one of the best zergs.
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On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:
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That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD
Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue. Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up
if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once?
also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester.
It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.
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On November 20 2012 19:45 Poopi wrote:
Why everyone from United States on here spells should have, should of? I heard it's the same pronunciation but how it is that every non native english speaker writes it should have o_o.
Sad for Creator but PvZ is almost as hard as TvZ so no surprise, it's easy to lose against decent zergs.
MarineKing tiime :D.
They are not pronounced the same.
I think it's more of a slang thing. Should have is def more formal/correct, but when speaking casually most people in the US say 'should of'.
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MKP playing to keep team PRIME alive
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