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Norway25712 Posts
Really looking forward to seeing HyuN perform in Vegas.
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CREATOR NO SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very pumped up for this TvT, should be miles better than what we saw so far today.
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On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,, nobody plays airtoss unit tester, lol
Ok I'm done with you... Whatever.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:48 ronfler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 synapse wrote:
so, guaranteed kespa player in finals? does hyun count as a kespa player? not sure you would call hyun kespa, if you did then most esf players are considered "kespa" if they were on a kespa team back in their bw days, so I would say no you don't. i guess i consider him a kespa player because he switched over pretty late compared to the others, no?
He switched in the last few months of 2011. If you watched him at the start of his career, he was pretty trash. He never went above tier one units in the late game and had no clue what the fuck to do after ten minutes. He's come a LOOOOONG way on TSL.
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On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X are you serious? he's one of the best zergs.
According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC.
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Late game PvZ is awful. At least we won't have to watch any more of it this season.
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whats the name of the song?
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come into ____ when you _______
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On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
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no it isn't
im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue. Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.
Theoretically a HT shouldnt get the feedback off right? Fungal +spread > Feedback range on top of a faster movespeed?
edit: I mean while we're talking about spltting.
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United Kingdom38199 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:48 Fionn wrote:
Hyun is going to be pretty prepared in Vegas. The best three players on his team beside himself are all traveling to IPL5 and will be able to practice with.
Also worth pointing out that not only will he have team mates there to prep with him, but they are all the right races too for whatever he might face from here on out. Genuinely got a good shot of winning imo.
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On November 20 2012 19:42 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Fuck yeah! Is HyuN going to Vegas now? Yes, but he already was. Polt, Symbol, Shine and Hyun are all going to IPL5.
Ah, the GSTL. Just hoped for him to receive his special FC trophy in person. ^^
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On November 20 2012 19:48 polishedturd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:41 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:36 Gladiator333 wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:33 Salteador Neo wrote:On November 20 2012 19:31 polishedturd wrote:On November 20 2012 19:30 Misacampo wrote:
Creator literally played perfectly.
Denied hyuns 5th constantly, was on 5 bases vs 4 for the majority of the game, multipronged attacks, harassment, slowly lost supply to make room for carriers.
But infestor. g fucking g misread hyun's build, trapped in his base by just 9 mutas, let hyun make nothing but drones and broodlords, went for a terrible endgame composition hurp durp That horrible endgame composition is the strongest army protoss can make xD Maek Infestor hurp durp no it isn't im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows What is the strongest protoss composition? blink/templar/archon/colo/mothership any engagement in this matchup past 17 minutes will invariably favor zerg, but the "standard" comp gives you the best toolkit to combat infestor/broodlord I disagree heavily with you that the standard composition is better than that one creator made. If you would run it in a unit test map I think you would see that his compositon is much better, with bad or good micro. I don't know your game knowledge but it's not the way it has worked the way I see it. Why do you think every pro gamer for example want to do the risky switch to air toss if they can just play standard? Answer that last question for me please.,, nobody plays airtoss unit tester, lol
hahaha strong counter argument.
not serious.
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Really waiting for HOTS now. Can't keep on watching these BL infestors late game shit again and again.
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Really sad to see Creator drop out. I was hoping for a Creator v Leenock finals.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:On November 20 2012 19:35 polishedturd wrote:
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no it isn't
im not saying protoss endgame is comparable to zerg but carrier/voidray mothership blows It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue. Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it.
It might be if the fungal nerf goes through though!
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On November 20 2012 19:50 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:49 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:46 MangoMountain wrote:On November 20 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 Giku wrote:On November 20 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On November 20 2012 19:40 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:39 Mikelius wrote:On November 20 2012 19:38 Insoleet wrote:On November 20 2012 19:37 Hypemeup wrote:
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It is the best protoss army in theory, and yet it is garbage compared to the zergs. Thats the issue.
Their is no best army. There are only counters. And this one was not the counter of Hyun composition. Please tell us what counters Hyun's army. From my point of view... ie my post above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382816¤tpage=43#844It's very hard, but with good vortexes and positionning, you can beat this army. You're suggesting mass high templar, I don't mean to be rude but do you even play Protoss? Have you seen anyone try it with decent micro? I have no idea how it'll work out, you probably don't either, but the idea could be plausible. Just storm vs fungal then I can see it being possible when the patch hits that makes high templar immune to fungal, but in this scenario if your 30-40 templar get fungaled once they are all going to die to the broodlings, or even forget the broodlings, just chain fungal until they die. you can't feedback 40 infestors fast enough to prevent one of them from landing a fungal. 1 fungal doesn't hit 30 HTs.. and you just split them up if you split them up they're just going to get taken out by broodlords... every time you move them they auto clump because of unit pathing, you're going to split 30 up every time you want to move them all at once? also, if they're clumped one fungal can hit a LOT of ht's, try it yourself in a unit tester. It's just not feasible, if it was these pro gamers would be doing it. Theoretically a HT shouldnt get the feedback off right? Fungal +spread > Feedback range on top of a faster movespeed? edit: I mean while we're talking about spltting.
yeah, they have the same range and fungal is further because it has a radius.
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On November 20 2012 19:49 Killmouse wrote:
whats the name of the song?
Dada Life - Feed the dada
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On November 20 2012 19:49 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 19:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 20 2012 19:44 scoww wrote:
that someone like hyun can make it to gsl ro4 makes me sad :X are you serious? he's one of the best zergs. According to some people Sen is better or atleast equal because 4rd at BWC.
BWC doesn't show a great deal imo
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Creator basically lost when the zergling got in his base as he waited too long to hide his tech.
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EPT
