EPTOn October 27 2012 19:00 Penev wrote:
The best option he had was going for a base race imo. Using mass recall.
The best option he had was going for a base race imo. Using mass recall.
The problem is that spines/spores can walk with the zerg army.
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Fjodorov
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The problem is that spines/spores can walk with the zerg army. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:00 -Kyo- wrote: I'm not sitting here giving suggestions for balance. I talking about the game we just saw. You're watching the same game I am right now, and you can tell that was kind of silly right? >.> We all just sat here for 45 minutes watching it ... Unless somehow you accrued 2.5k posts and can't understand the game that was just played in front of everyone I don't know what else to say. It was silly, nothing more @_@;; It wasnt silly at all, it was beautiful to watch | ||
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MangoMountain
Norway2044 Posts
On October 27 2012 18:59 Maloreon wrote: I think it proves how weak the understanding of this game is for many people watching this game. If you think things like number of workers, bases, etc. are the final say in who wins a game you need to think about the game in a more fluid way. This is like in chess when a player sacrifices all of his pieces except the two or three that deliver checkmate to achieve his aggressive goal. Much like in Hero vs. Leenock recently - if you don't understand how the Zerg is winning (long game army quality attrition war) then maybe you should think about the game in a more complex manner. I for one REALLY enjoyed that game. I felt like Rain played incredibly well but it just goes to show that his main aim (winning in a long game) and his methods (harassment, not army quality) may be a lost case. I wonder when Protoss will start doing what top zergs are (turtling, making sacrifices and crafting a perfect army that one shots anything)... maybe in HOTS with Tempest? GG Rain didn't outplay drg, when you're going bl infestor you're gonna lose all your bases and tech eventually, it's just how the composition works. Rain however, stayed on 3 bases for ages despite how passive drg was playing and didn't transition into an army that's actually good aside from the desperation void rays at the end, flashy multitasking stuff doesn't win you games if your strategy is inferior | ||
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Buchan
Canada184 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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marriottvn
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17588 Posts
On October 27 2012 18:59 Maloreon wrote: I think it proves how weak the understanding of this game is for many people watching this game. If you think things like number of workers, bases, etc. are the final say in who wins a game you need to think about the game in a more fluid way. This is like in chess when a player sacrifices all of his pieces except the two or three that deliver checkmate to achieve his aggressive goal. Much like in Hero vs. Leenock recently - if you don't understand how the Zerg is winning (long game army quality attrition war) then maybe you should think about the game in a more complex manner. I for one REALLY enjoyed that game. I felt like Rain played incredibly well but it just goes to show that his main aim (winning in a long game) and his methods (harassment, not army quality) may be a lost case. I wonder when Protoss will start doing what top zergs are (turtling, making sacrifices and crafting a perfect army that one shots anything)... maybe in HOTS with Tempest? GG Protoss' "perfect army" just isn't as good as Zerg's. That's why they try it this way. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:02 Sabu113 wrote: Why did he try attacking that center base? Arguably that started the cascade when he needed more shit to hold his mining bases. Arguably. I don't know how you deal with all those infestors. Speed prism magic carpetting templar to feedback en masse? Warp prism gets hit with fungal growth. Templar drop in place and get hit with fungal. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:01 Dodgin wrote: he used 2 on accident because of the FPS lag unacceptable to have such shitty computers for a OSL finals... ok well yea that is a colossal heap of shit. did he seriously double vortex the broodlords? people should be whining about THAT, not anything else | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
You don't get it do you. Enjoy the 'tears'. This is the first showing of a Proleauge finals on national tv and if this is what the fans are treated, I imagine no one would give a shit how many tears you're enjoying. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16835 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:01 Jehct wrote: Except it was incredibly close, and the commitment to harass is what left him with no way to kill DRG's lategame army. Seriously, 99% of zergs in that position just crumble and die to the warp prism/army pressure. Coming out of that with a 'best possible' maxed army was incredible. If Rain keeps it up and transitions into carrier/templar/mothership, he would have played a flawless game. Losing steam is what lost him the game, as he ended up being forced to engage with an inferior army. That was a decision, not balance/design. Thank you <3 Rain did quite well, but DRG is a fighter too. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
Edit: Not talking about all-ins btw. | ||
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
But I am. | ||
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Morufi1
Germany49 Posts
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lannisport
878 Posts
On October 27 2012 18:59 Kettchup wrote: I think the main problem was attacking. He had DRG's 5th shut down and had his 5th secured. Needed to milk that eco advantage and force DRG to attack into him. I think so but the problem with that is DRG was building an unbeatable army from the start. A 220 army of broodlord, corrupters and infestors and I think Rain knew that. Even if he had forced an attack one mistake and Rain would've died anyway because there's no way you can reinforce against an army like that so it looks like Rain was trying to just smother DRG in every way possible. Harass his main, take away expansions, and make DRG use up as much energy on his infestors as possible. I've never seen a toss that active with his army in the middle before. I mean he was also harassing at the same time... while tap dancing through lasers in the middle. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:02 dragonblade369 wrote: Infestors would rip carriers apart. Not only then pin carriers in place with fungal and drop infested terran to kill, they also fungal the interceptors. Let's face it, Infestors rip every unit in this game apart. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
Before zergs realized they had a unit called the infestor. What is the mystery unit protoss never use that can save us? + Show Spoiler + Tempest in HotS Maybe | ||
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Sea_aeS
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Same here :'( | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 27 2012 19:02 Teoita wrote: Yes but none knows how to transition in to them or how to fully use them yet. That's the big problem with lategame PvZ right now. Yeah zerg doesn't really have a choice in playing brood lord infestor in the late-game either that or they just lose lol The only other options for zerg are to: all-in end it in the mid game with muta ling or do max roaches | ||
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