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On October 27 2012 18:58 kaetor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 18:56 Jehct wrote:On October 27 2012 18:55 Fubi wrote:
I love how moletrap/Doa are trying so hard to make it sound exciting when it was just another game of Zerg turtling until a GG of broodlord/infestors ...pretty sure jadedness/bias is making you not appreciate that game. That was incredibly close and well played by both sides, each abusing their race as much as they could (that warp prism/stalker harass was ridic). I agree that most PvZ's suck, but what exactly was wrong with that game? Because it wasn't close. Rain did cool shit yeah, but theres no way he could kill DRG's lategame army so the whole lategame was pointless anyway.
Except it was incredibly close, and the commitment to harass is what left him with no way to kill DRG's lategame army. Seriously, 99% of zergs in that position just crumble and die to the warp prism/army pressure. Coming out of that with a 'best possible' maxed army was incredible.
If Rain keeps it up and transitions into carrier/templar/mothership, he would have played a flawless game. Losing steam is what lost him the game, as he ended up being forced to engage with an inferior army. That was a decision, not balance/design.
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On October 27 2012 18:59 Maloreon wrote:
I think it proves how weak the understanding of this game is for many people watching this game. If you think things like number of workers, bases, etc. are the final say in who wins a game you need to think about the game in a more fluid way. This is like in chess when a player sacrifices all of his pieces except the two or three that deliver checkmate to achieve his aggressive goal. Much like in Hero vs. Leenock recently - if you don't understand how the Zerg is winning (long game army quality attrition war) then maybe you should think about the game in a more complex manner.
I for one REALLY enjoyed that game. I felt like Rain played incredibly well but it just goes to show that his main aim (winning in a long game) and his methods (harassment, not army quality) may be a lost case. I wonder when Protoss will start doing what top zergs are (turtling, making sacrifices and crafting a perfect army that one shots anything)... maybe in HOTS with Tempest? GG
This. Well said.
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On October 27 2012 18:59 Lazzi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 18:56 Supah wrote:
Well, honestly, DRG could have won army to army a long time ago, but was a bit overwhelmed with all the harass. When the engagement actually happened, it wasn't too surprising on who would actually win that fight. Rain could have had that, it was 2 bases to 1.. surprisingly not patient enough. Not patient enough? Are you kidding?
As in, he was patient the entire game until that engagement where his Archons were out of position and he only got 1 in the Vortex. He had just finished denying DRG's base again, and also was about to take another base of his own top left. Was so close to squeezing him out, but I guess thought his advantage army-wise was bigger than it was.
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On October 27 2012 19:00 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 18:58 gobbledydook wrote:
Rain should have considered making Carriers at some point...
Mass carriers/ht have the best chance at beating infestor/bl straight up. Not that it's easy though. Yes make Carriers vs 30 infestors. Sounds like a good idea.
also did you see his gas count? he was broke as fuck in gas
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Is the twitch stream down??
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On October 27 2012 18:59 archonOOid wrote:
Why aren't blizzard patching the game like valve/dota2 where the gameplay is far more important than balance. Fun > balance
You need both, people like you who want to tell me they don't care too much about balance are laughable. In the end you'll be the first one to cry for proper balance the moment you think something is unfair.
Diablo 3 is a nice case, "make the game fun, who gives a fuck about balance?" "OH GOD NERF BARBS!!".
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Hey guys let's all jump on this bandwagon, "whaa BL infestor OP protoss UP waaaaa" instead of considering of the maps/current metagame atm
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On October 27 2012 19:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Btw to all P players, would carriers helped out in this scenario since there was like 4 corrupters?
no because of infestors.
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Balance whine aside.... I really thought that game was really entertaining to watch 
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On October 27 2012 18:57 Sinensis wrote:
Open VLC Media Player > Go to the media tab in the top right corner > Open Network Stream... > URL BOX paste this: http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognsdlive
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR. Stop complaining about how horrible moletrap is and watch the commentators you were meant to hear.
it doesnt work for some reason :/
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On October 27 2012 19:00 Tsubbi wrote:
how come there's no mod note on top of the thread and so far no ban? lr threads lately are worse than they were at release 2 years ago
That's because the balance of the game is worse than 2 years ago, obviously.
Is there a Korean stream? If so link please.
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On October 27 2012 18:59 bo1b wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that both sides of the matchup are fucking stupid? Warping in like 20 zealots and some dts into the main to me is as retarded as infestors...
I can agree with that to an extent. I've never liked the idea of a 1 drop shit doom drop or removing any form of defenders advantage, but at the moment I'd say infestors are more broken. If a race has that many spells, it shouldn't be on one unit.
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This brings me back to 2011, all the whining in this thread :D
Difference is this time its about zergs and no one is getting banned lol
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On October 27 2012 19:00 Oboeman wrote:
why was there only one vortex?
he used 2 on accident because of the FPS lag
unacceptable to have such shitty computers for a OSL finals...
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On October 27 2012 19:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Btw to all P players, would carriers helped out in this scenario since there was like 4 corrupters?
Yes but none knows how to transition in to them or how to fully use them yet. That's the big problem with lategame PvZ right now.
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On October 27 2012 19:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Btw to all P players, would carriers helped out in this scenario since there was like 4 corrupters?
Maybe for a short time. Infestors & infested Terrans are still a big problem and Zerg can replenish the corruptors way too fast.
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On October 27 2012 19:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Btw to all P players, would carriers helped out in this scenario since there was like 4 corrupters?
Infestors would rip carriers apart. Not only then pin carriers in place with fungal and drop infested terran to kill, they also fungal the interceptors.
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