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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 10:06:31
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1261
I think a lot of people need to understand that if Zerg builds an army that can deal with the absurd late game harass potential that Protoss has, they can't win army to army fights (see Leenock vs Hero on entombed for a game where Z shuts down warp prism play incredibly well for 10 minutes but slips up once and instantly loses 2 bases). As it is they have to build the infestor/borelord combination and rely on sacrificing expansions because it's too slow to ever move anywhere to defend. It's not so much a case of wow look at this P outmultitask this Z, but that P will always outmultitask Z and you just have to hope you get enough done that when you trade you kill enough Zerg stuff that your economy advantage can make up the rest.

They are still both terribly designed races, but don't rage at a player for playing to the strengths of a compositon.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1262
... I really wish I understood what DRG was talking about.

Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1263
On October 27 2012 19:04 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 19:02 dragonblade369 wrote:
On October 27 2012 19:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Btw to all P players, would carriers helped out in this scenario since there was like 4 corrupters?


Infestors would rip carriers apart. Not only then pin carriers in place with fungal and drop infested terran to kill, they also fungal the interceptors.


Let's face it, Infestors rip every unit in this game apart.


Yeah.

Only units that beat Infestors are .... Infestors.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1264
Recommend that game for Rain's play, don't recommend for the predictable outcome.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1265
anyone know how to open a network stream in VLC player for Mac? I can't seem to get it to work for http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognsdlive
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1266
DRG hopefully gonna get zerg nerfed like Mvp did last year!!
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1267
I've supported sc2 for a long time, followed both the bw and sc2 scene and respected both games, and up until now I kept trying to be optimistic and said "sc2 will develop, give it time." But I think this last game broke the camel's back. It is so utterly stupid that Blizzard has not fixed infestor+broodlord+spine crawler turtling. It's horrible design in every way - bad for balance, bad for the players, and bad for the spectators.

Until Blizzard intervenes on a massive scale (and so far, HotS isn't it), I don't think I'll watch another live sc2 event again. Which is a shame, because of how much this series has meant to me.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1268
Doa's talking sense.
Roarer
Profile Joined December 2011
Hong Kong124 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1269
On October 27 2012 18:59 Maloreon wrote:
I think it proves how weak the understanding of this game is for many people watching this game. If you think things like number of workers, bases, etc. are the final say in who wins a game you need to think about the game in a more fluid way. This is like in chess when a player sacrifices all of his pieces except the two or three that deliver checkmate to achieve his aggressive goal. Much like in Hero vs. Leenock recently - if you don't understand how the Zerg is winning (long game army quality attrition war) then maybe you should think about the game in a more complex manner.

I for one REALLY enjoyed that game. I felt like Rain played incredibly well but it just goes to show that his main aim (winning in a long game) and his methods (harassment, not army quality) may be a lost case. I wonder when Protoss will start doing what top zergs are (turtling, making sacrifices and crafting a perfect army that one shots anything)... maybe in HOTS with Tempest? GG



you got a point when you say the main aim and the tactics Rain pulled out is a lost case. The question though is what better methods can Rain pull off.

And it is such a pity that a lot of people think that they have already exhausted all the possibilities.
Never argue with an idiot, cause they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience =﹏=
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1270
On October 27 2012 19:04 FusioN.Strider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 19:03 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
I shouldn't still be surprised to see this much balance whine in a LR thread.

But I am.


Is it always this bad? =(

Only when BL/Infestor turtle wins.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1271
On October 27 2012 19:04 FusioN.Strider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 19:03 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
I shouldn't still be surprised to see this much balance whine in a LR thread.

But I am.


Is it always this bad? =(


Only when the shit happening in the game is too obnoxious I guess.
Revolutionist fan
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1272
this isnt as bad as hero vs leenock
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1273
On October 27 2012 19:00 Wintex wrote:
Flash and Mvp for next final please. would be so awesome. or a protoss like parting. he knows how pvz works ^_^

Parting puts his soul into EVERY PvZ he plays!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
viasacra89
Profile Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1274
So Immortal/sentry all in's which are practically unbeatable are fine in toss eyes, but end game vs blord/infestor is too hard so it's imba? Feel the pain of TvP
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1275
OH MAN. BALANCE BITCHING IN LR.

Feels good to watch something live.
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1276
On October 27 2012 19:04 th3_great wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 19:03 wangstra wrote:
On October 27 2012 18:57 TAMinator wrote:
On October 27 2012 18:56 Misoza wrote:
On October 27 2012 18:55 stephen11 wrote:
Protoss tears are so sweet, your tears of unimaginable sadness... mmmmmmmmm.



lol, it's not just protoss, pretty much any non-zerg can see how that was kinda BS.

Your tears are yummy MMM mmmmmmmmmmm


You don't get it do you. Enjoy the 'tears'. This is the first showing of SC2 on national tv anywhere and if this is what the fans are treated, I imagine no one would give a shit how many tears you're enjoying.


dreamhack has been shown on swedish tv and i think theyve always given a good show


Dreamhack has had some terrible finals. Or maybe its just Thorzains win was so awesome the following finals have just seemed poor.
Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
October 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1277
Late game PvZ is so broken. Zerg gets to 20 broodlords and 30 infestors, Protoss sits on colossus/stalker/archon/mothership death ball.

A. Protoss lands good vortex on zerg army, archon toilets, wins game. "game is broken, wah wah"
B. Protoss misses vortex or gets his mothership neuraled/killed, Zerg moves out and kills Protoss. "game is broken wah wah"

In that situation I would like to see the Protoss player switching into Carriers. idk if that would be better, maybe they'd just all get neuraled, but at least it'd be something different to watch.
saiyogo
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam136 Posts
October 27 2012 10:06 GMT
#1278
On October 27 2012 19:04 covetousrat wrote:
Wonwonwon or die trying. Learn from master Parting.


Not enough soul. He won't succeed.
Cite
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia251 Posts
October 27 2012 10:06 GMT
#1279
Think everyone complaining about rain getting roflstomped by overpowered race is forgetting rain decided to commit to protecting his expansions in favor of getting into a better position to spring his void ray trap.

It would have in a sense been better for rain to keep what small bank he could mine while he was saccing his 2 extra bases till his voidrays could get into a better position with his army then make sure to handle DRG's army as best as he could. Because DRG had nothing to fall back on not even mining or a bank while same could be said for Rain if he did come out of the engagement alive he'd have the small bank to recreate a base which he could defend with what small units he'd have.

I think people are thinking too objectively and not about what should have been done.
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
October 27 2012 10:06 GMT
#1280
rain kept dumping like 1k minerals to snipe hatcheries that have no more minerals left, maybe if he backdoored the third instead the main and the natural, larvae is not that important late game.
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