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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 09:53:48
October 24 2012 09:51 GMT
#261
On October 24 2012 18:48 batterseapower wrote:
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On October 24 2012 18:43 TheBB wrote:
Projections after Byun vs Parting:

Are you updating the ELOs you use for match prediction after each match? I only ask because your numbers show the probability of Byun advancing changing depending on the result of Trap v Shine, whereas my numbers do not.

No, I don't. But I those probabilities can change depending on other matches. (If a strong player loses and you are in the lead, the probability that you will qualify should increase — in your case with coinflip matches it shouldn't matter (in this case)). Another thing is that I take like 100,000 samples instead of calculating exact probabilities... so some uncertainty on the order of 0.1% or so should be expected from computation to computation.

For example, it is obviously wrong that Byun's probability to qualify is higher after either result in Shine vs Trap than it was before, but that's purely due to the chance in the sampling.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
October 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#262
On October 24 2012 18:45 Waxangel wrote:
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On October 24 2012 18:43 Netsky wrote:
Could a Protoss player explain Parting's play? I've seen the phoenix response to the early gas (although it's uncommon), but usually the transition is into phoenix/colo (i.e. continue to make more than 4 phoenixes). It just seemed really wonky compared to the usual quick 3 nexus into mass gateway units with storm into colo in the late-mid game that we often see from him on larger maps.


he thought he would crush hellion-marine-drop/ or some other aggressive play from Byun, but Byun probably noticed something was fishy, just decided to not waste his troops and defended while building 3 CC. PartinG eventually had to take his own exp and catch up, but was behind already.


Thanks Wax. Yeah, it definitely shuts down drop/banshee play and I guess Parting had no way of knowing that Byun didn't build his starport at the usual timing if he was to go for a hellion drop/banshee play. Byun started to scout and skipped the starport, going straight in his 2nd CC without getting any additional info. from the hellions so he was never going to be aggressive with starport tech.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#263
Turtlefest once again.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#264
Commentators can't call a PvZ build correctly to save their life these days It frustrates me to no end...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#265
On October 24 2012 18:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On October 24 2012 18:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL Season 5 Up & Down Matches
Shine (0-0) vs Trap (0-0)
Map: Cloud Kingdom

0:00
Shine spawns in the top right
Trap spawns in the bottom left

2:00
pool first for Shine
Nexus first for Trap
Hatch for Shine
forge for Trap

3:00
Gateway for Trap at the choke
cannon for Trap

4:00
3rd base for Shine
double gas for Trap
Cybernetics core for Trap
3rd base of Shine is scouted by a probe

5:00
+1 attack started for Trap

6:00
double gas for Shine
Trap goes up to 4 gas
Robo started for Trap

7:00
Lair started for Shine in the natural
Twilight council started for Trap
Trap kills both scouting overlords before they see much
Roach warren started for Shine
ling speed started for Shine
2 more gas for Shine
evo chamber for Shine
3 more gates for Trap

8:00
+2 attack started for Trap
macro hatch in the natural for Shine
blink research started for Trap
Roach speed started for Shine
+1 missile attacks started for Shine
first observer is out for Trap and reaches Shine's base

9:00
infestation pit started for Shine
immortal production started for Trap
3rd base started for Trap
ling scouts the 3rd base
2 more gates added on for Trap

10:00
Pathogen glands started for Shine
4th base started for Shine
Robotics Bay on the way for Trap
+3 attack started for Trap
infestor production begins

11:00
overlord speed started for Shine
2 more gates for Trap
+1 melee started for Shine
burrow half way done for Shine

12:00
Spire started for Shine
1st colossus out
Extended thermal lance research begins for Trap
2nd colossus started
+1 carapace started for Shine
5th base started for Shine in the top left
Hive started for Shine

13:00
Shine attacks into the 3rd of Trap
forcefields go down leading to Shine backing off
+1 armor started for Trap
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 24 2012 09:54 GMT
#266
can someone continue the LR?!?! I have to run out for like 10 min real quick. emergency
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33581 Posts
October 24 2012 09:54 GMT
#267
+3, 3 ranged colossus, 170 pop army, strong shit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
October 24 2012 09:54 GMT
#268
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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#269
Trap is a little complacent.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
October 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#270
A-moved infestors in the U&D group... ugh.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
October 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#271
"Here, have my infestors, please!"
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
cosnagoo
Profile Joined October 2012
12 Posts
October 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#272
that is why he went fast +2 while expanding .
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#273
trap kinda botching the pre-hive timing, hrm.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
October 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#274
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33581 Posts
October 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#275
nice defense from Shine! good to see what he can do against non-2base all-ins
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ToyOmnibus
Profile Joined August 2011
Zimbabwe139 Posts
October 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#276
On October 24 2012 18:51 silent_owl wrote:
Learning a lot from Trap's play, nice, safe and smart.


Its smart to let Zerg get 9+ bases. Not like you can stop them right
"His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea, and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular."
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17727 Posts
October 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#277
running infestors in to die :/ one day Zerg players will realize that infestors regenerate energy
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
October 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#278
On October 24 2012 18:49 Dodgin wrote:
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On October 24 2012 18:47 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
hah i always forgot my logins to gomtv site (unless i use always remember) and now I cant register new account unless twitter or facebook. I guess no gomtv anymore for me


err..use the forget password option?


um I have made like 12 accounts using free spam email for just to sign up. Cant remember single one
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
October 24 2012 09:57 GMT
#279
Real back and forth here.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 24 2012 09:57 GMT
#280
hey trap is not so bad right now
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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