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On November 12 2012 14:29 pmp10 wrote:
Anyone get the impression that mods have given up on LR whining?
I expect to wake up to a ton of bans, they probably plan on catching up eventually. Watch out for ETT in particular imo, he's really really good in these situations. Definitely a contender for TL WCS
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On November 12 2012 14:31 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 12 2012 14:29 pmp10 wrote:
Anyone get the impression that mods have given up on LR whining?
no i got a warning for it about 20 minutes ago  Got one pretty early on as well.
My bad then.
Must be a sudden rush of fanboyism.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 Jacmert wrote:
Is it just me or did Bomber totally neglect to split/spread his marines in the final engagement? Maybe fatigue was starting to get to him?
I saw them jockeying for position and Bomber was too far out but wanted the spread.
It had more to do with the pathing and getting caught out in bad position.
Thing is once you spread and have them move in to attack they just auto clump due to the A.I.
If we had different pathing surely we would see less complaints.
The one that stood out in my mind this series was when Bomber scattered his hellions/marines and as soon as he went for the attack command, the units clumped up right away and bomb exploded on that fungal.
If the units held their positions in movement Stephano would have only managed to a few and instead barrel rolls over Bomber after that engagement.
I'd love to see how that game would have played out with better pathing.
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Stephano is good. Fungal is better.
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On November 12 2012 14:30 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. don'ts: 1. play safe vs all ins 2. do a standard prehive timing push 3. let your opponent rush to hive while you make mistakes am i getting everything? so the margin of error is about, 75 minerals in salvaged bunkers, an unnecessary stim and reading the committal of unit production from a zerg player perfectly all game
Obviously you've never heard of present value vs future value. 75 minerals in salvaged bunkers? He paid 100 upfront for each bunker. If he spent that money on, say, another CC or more upgrades, etc, he would have been paid back more than just 100 minerals for the investment. Bomber didn't just lose those 75 minerals, he invested 400 minerals that would have paid exponential dividends as the game went on. Learn your stuff before you post any of this nonsense.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. So many excuses from these Zergs :/ We get it...Bomber made mistakes. Infestors are still ruining SC2.
Terran whinings are ruining sc2 imo. Its just sad a lot of people see stephano moves not as genius ones but as "Wow so powerful I could whine on that" ones...
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On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 12 2012 14:26 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 12 2012 14:23 Astro-Penguin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:22 IMNasty wrote:
lol no thanks for EG sponsors, suspensions incoming we all know how brutal his last suspension was, he wasn't allowed to participate in a whole whopping amount of 0 tournaments you do know he had to withdraw from the GD Studio tournament that Thorzain won and DH Bucharest right? He wouldn't have gone to Bucharest, he was already qualified for Winter Finals. Only GD Studio. ummm he was scheduled to go to Bucharest. He was on the original player list. Why? Better question is why would DH allow him if he was already qualified.
Obviously because being qualified isn't everything. There still is a prize pool associated with the tournament. Lots of players who were already qualified went to Bucharest.
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On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 12 2012 14:26 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 12 2012 14:23 Astro-Penguin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:22 IMNasty wrote:
lol no thanks for EG sponsors, suspensions incoming we all know how brutal his last suspension was, he wasn't allowed to participate in a whole whopping amount of 0 tournaments you do know he had to withdraw from the GD Studio tournament that Thorzain won and DH Bucharest right? He wouldn't have gone to Bucharest, he was already qualified for Winter Finals. Only GD Studio. ummm he was scheduled to go to Bucharest. He was on the original player list. Why? Better question is why would DH allow him if he was already qualified.
because he has the right to win more money. same reason Scarlett/Vibe/and others were able to play in their continental finals of WCS even though they secured World Finals seeds from their respective countries.
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On November 12 2012 14:33 v_lm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:26 TimENT wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. So many excuses from these Zergs :/ We get it...Bomber made mistakes. Infestors are still ruining SC2. Terran whinings are ruining sc2 imo. Its just sad a lot of see stephano moves not as genius ones but as "Wow so powerful I could whine on that" ones...
Err its not only SC2 that they're ruining.
There's a whole esports scene out there.
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On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:30 v_lm wrote:On November 12 2012 14:29 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over. what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss. FALSE FALSE FALSE he built his ebay after the bunkers Watch the game again, regardless, still not as bad as Stephanos early investment into roaches.
are you serious? you should watch the game again, bomber started his ebays after the 3 extra bunkers were finished. and started his ebays almost 2 minutes later than he wanted to. Day9 even emphasized that point in the cast lol. the investment in the bunkers delayed bombers 2/2 push to the point where stephano could get the army he needed to stop it.
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On November 12 2012 14:29 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over. what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss.
i m pretty sure he didnt have dual bay when he placed those bunkers. Where can we find the vods?
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On November 12 2012 14:33 v_lm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:26 TimENT wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. So many excuses from these Zergs :/ We get it...Bomber made mistakes. Infestors are still ruining SC2. Terran whinings are ruining sc2 imo. Its just sad a lot of people see stephano moves not as genius ones but as "Wow so powerful I could whine on that" ones...
One more reason to get rid of fungals. Stephano's genius is being overshadowed by it.
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what happened to the spreaded vikings in the final engagment?
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On November 12 2012 14:30 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 Dodgin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:23 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:19 Dodgin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. haha good luck getting that kind of composition on ohana there's a reason it's gone from GSL. I don't know which tournament you're watching, but the GSL has always featured Terran champions who knew how to deal wtih the Zerg T3 army. For MMA, it was avoiding direct engagements and exploiting the immobility of brood/infestor with his drops and mini-tactics that eventually wore down the Zerg. For Mvp, it was a heavy mech transition even out of biomech (thors and ravens and whatnot). I don't know what comment you're reading, but what I said has nothing to do with what you answered. You're not going to have the same kind of game on Ohana as you will on Metropolis, Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind. So you're saying that Ohana is for some reason impossible to play a late game comp on? Did you even watch the game? Bomber went for a NEAR-ALL-IN PUSH and it FAILED. If he had taken an early 4th CC, made a few PFs in the middle, and worked his way up to controlling his watchtower and his side of the map, he could have easily teched into starport units. But no, he went for the lazy Terran answer, the pre-hive low-tech push. And it won him the game in the previous series on Ohana, why would he not do it again? Different maps have different optimal play styles. If he thought it was a better choice to play a turtle style on that map he would have done it, Bomber is known for being one of the first Terrans to do a Raven heavy lategame style. ( find the VODs of Stephano vs Bomber in the GD studio invitational from earlier this year ) I'm sure he's just lazy though, yes.
Well, he played lazily in this series, possibly from fatigue. Point was, the pre-hive push is basically the TvZ version of the Protoss 3base push. Succeed and win, fail and lose.
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On November 12 2012 14:34 Gator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:30 v_lm wrote:On November 12 2012 14:29 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over. what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss. FALSE FALSE FALSE he built his ebay after the bunkers Watch the game again, regardless, still not as bad as Stephanos early investment into roaches. are you serious? you should watch the game again, bomber started his ebays after the 3 extra bunkers were finished. and started his ebays almost 2 minutes later than he wanted to. Day9 even emphasized that point in the cast lol. the investment in the bunkers delayed bombers 2/2 push to the point where stephano could get the army he needed to stop it.
no brah you dont understand i did the math and shit, making those 4 roaches is like waaay worse, zerg imba durrrrr
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On November 12 2012 14:22 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:21 polishedturd wrote:On November 12 2012 14:19 Traceback wrote:On November 12 2012 14:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 shockaslim wrote:On November 12 2012 14:11 SafeAsCheese wrote:
You dumbasses complaining about fungal when bomber makes 100 marines?
Storm would have the exact same effect in that battle. Except.......it wouldn't have. This! at least you can dodge Storm/micro out of it.... Meh IMO Bomber out played Stephano that series. I'm gonna try to limit my whining because I do hate when LR threads fill up with it... but god damn its just frustrating to watch sometimes... Microing out of storms when you have 100 marines doesn't do anything, besides make you spam stim that your medivacs can never keep up with. Having 70% of your army has a T1 core unit that late in the game is just bad, only arguably marauders can make that work and usually not without great difficulty. Regardless, watching storm micro is 1000x more exciting then watching that... Watching that ending makes me not want to watch starcraft. 3 spells and micro is turned irrelevant and you watch the game end. That's such a terrible spectator experience. i like watching banelings hitting fungaled marines better than watching bio micro out of storm therefore fungal is good for esports checkmate, buff infestors You can micro out of storm. You can't micro out of fungal. Banes are guaranteed. Checkmate biaZerg
Yep. Never heard of those things called forcefields.
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On November 12 2012 14:34 Gator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:30 v_lm wrote:On November 12 2012 14:29 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over. what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss. FALSE FALSE FALSE he built his ebay after the bunkers Watch the game again, regardless, still not as bad as Stephanos early investment into roaches. are you serious? you should watch the game again, bomber started his ebays after the 3 extra bunkers were finished. and started his ebays almost 2 minutes later than he wanted to. Day9 even emphasized that point in the cast lol. the investment in the bunkers delayed bombers 2/2 push to the point where stephano could get the army he needed to stop it.
I'd tell the guy he was wrong too and double ebay started after 3 extra bunkers, but he'd probably just say we're all wrong.
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Very solid tourney. A couple of glitches here and there, but really minor compared to the hours of content, top-notch casting, great games, and an interesting mix of players. A solid weekend of high production SC2, and that by 'non-professionals'. Really nice work, TEXAS!!!!
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On November 12 2012 14:33 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:30 c0sm0naut wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. don'ts: 1. play safe vs all ins 2. do a standard prehive timing push 3. let your opponent rush to hive while you make mistakes am i getting everything? so the margin of error is about, 75 minerals in salvaged bunkers, an unnecessary stim and reading the committal of unit production from a zerg player perfectly all game Obviously you've never heard of present value vs future value. 75 minerals in salvaged bunkers? He paid 100 upfront for each bunker. If he spent that money on, say, another CC or more upgrades, etc, he would have been paid back more than just 100 minerals for the investment. Bomber didn't just lose those 75 minerals, he invested 400 minerals that would have paid exponential dividends as the game went on. Learn your stuff before you post any of this nonsense.
do you mean opportunity cost? dont talk to me like i'm retarded. If stephano has 8 roaches out there, breaks the rocks and then floods in with banes like he did on cloud kingdom, bombers loses that game in a minute. even with 2 bunkers. he chose to play safe and it lost him the game, stop calling it a "mistake" when in reality zergs make midgame zerglings all the time just to be "safe" and it doens't make them as critically far behind as youre claiming it made bomber..
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On November 12 2012 14:36 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:34 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:31 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:30 v_lm wrote:On November 12 2012 14:29 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over. what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss. FALSE FALSE FALSE he built his ebay after the bunkers Watch the game again, regardless, still not as bad as Stephanos early investment into roaches. are you serious? you should watch the game again, bomber started his ebays after the 3 extra bunkers were finished. and started his ebays almost 2 minutes later than he wanted to. Day9 even emphasized that point in the cast lol. the investment in the bunkers delayed bombers 2/2 push to the point where stephano could get the army he needed to stop it. I'd tell the guy he was wrong too and double ebay started after 3 extra bunkers, but he'd probably just say we're all wrong.
Did you just say that you weren't going to do the thing that you indirectly did?
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