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On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech.
So many excuses from these Zergs :/ We get it...Bomber made mistakes. Infestors are still ruining SC2.
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On November 12 2012 14:25 eden-san wrote:
So funny people complaining about fungal :D
I'm just so happy to see all those T's crying, those same people who just queue marines up all day long and think they should be able to just get away with it... What a shameless bunch.
Let's be fair and realize that any tech unit is a hard counter to marines (and most first tier units for that matter).
Let's be fair and realize nothing else Terran has is worth building to counter Brood Lords...
You can't go 3 base Raven, BC... My god...
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On November 12 2012 14:25 Icaeth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! +1 I hate to read LR and see page after page of tears about balance. Stephano doesnt even go for mass infestors this game.
Hate to read LR and see page after page of tears about balance? Does not compute. You in the wrong neighborhood, cuz, you best be gettin up outta here ya dig?
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On November 12 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:23 Astro-Penguin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:22 IMNasty wrote:
lol no thanks for EG sponsors, suspensions incoming we all know how brutal his last suspension was, he wasn't allowed to participate in a whole whopping amount of 0 tournaments you do know he had to withdraw from the GD Studio tournament that Thorzain won and DH Bucharest right?
He wouldn't have gone to Bucharest, he was already qualified for Winter Finals. Only GD Studio.
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On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I think Day9 was really overselling just how important that was
rofl, you could straight up see the fucking effects of the delay in the last minutes of the game in regards to upgrades
you people are unbelievable
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On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers.
It's not an economic hit.
It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it?
Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay.
Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over.
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Congrats to Stephano for continuing to win tournaments, one of the few players from EU / NA that still do.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 Jacmert wrote:
Is it just me or did Bomber totally neglect to split/spread his marines in the final engagement? Maybe fatigue was starting to get to him?
Terran is incredible micro heavy late game, so ya, fatigue was prolly a huge factor to Bomber losing the last game.
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On November 12 2012 14:24 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:23 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:19 Dodgin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. haha good luck getting that kind of composition on ohana there's a reason it's gone from GSL. I don't know which tournament you're watching, but the GSL has always featured Terran champions who knew how to deal wtih the Zerg T3 army. For MMA, it was avoiding direct engagements and exploiting the immobility of brood/infestor with his drops and mini-tactics that eventually wore down the Zerg. For Mvp, it was a heavy mech transition even out of biomech (thors and ravens and whatnot). I don't know what comment you're reading, but what I said has nothing to do with what you answered. You're not going to have the same kind of game on Ohana as you will on Metropolis, Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind.
So you're saying that Ohana is for some reason impossible to play a late game comp on? Did you even watch the game? Bomber went for a NEAR-ALL-IN PUSH and it FAILED. If he had taken an early 4th CC, made a few PFs in the middle, and worked his way up to controlling his watchtower and his side of the map, he could have easily teched into starport units. But no, he went for the lazy Terran answer, the pre-hive low-tech push.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 12 2012 14:23 Astro-Penguin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:22 IMNasty wrote:
lol no thanks for EG sponsors, suspensions incoming we all know how brutal his last suspension was, he wasn't allowed to participate in a whole whopping amount of 0 tournaments you do know he had to withdraw from the GD Studio tournament that Thorzain won and DH Bucharest right? He wouldn't have gone to Bucharest, he was already qualified for Winter Finals. Only GD Studio.
He was going to Bucharest.
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On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers.
Those 3 bunkers could have been better spent elsewhere on earlier ebays, more barracks, etc. Putting those bunkers up delayed his tech and upgrades even though it wasn't much of a net mineral loss.
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On November 12 2012 14:24 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:20 Havik_ wrote:
To some extent I think Terrans have no right to QQ about Infestors until they start making Ghosts in TvZ again. Protoss can complain all they want though :p Yes those same Ghosts Blizzard butchered after Zergs cried rivers because Mvp used them like none other.
Its called EMP. You can't whine about Infestors and not make their counter. 1 EMP can neutralize infinite infestors if they're clumped up.
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On November 12 2012 14:27 FlyingTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 Dodgin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:23 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:19 Dodgin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. haha good luck getting that kind of composition on ohana there's a reason it's gone from GSL. I don't know which tournament you're watching, but the GSL has always featured Terran champions who knew how to deal wtih the Zerg T3 army. For MMA, it was avoiding direct engagements and exploiting the immobility of brood/infestor with his drops and mini-tactics that eventually wore down the Zerg. For Mvp, it was a heavy mech transition even out of biomech (thors and ravens and whatnot). I don't know what comment you're reading, but what I said has nothing to do with what you answered. You're not going to have the same kind of game on Ohana as you will on Metropolis, Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind. So you're saying that Ohana is for some reason impossible to play a late game comp on? Did you even watch the game? Bomber went for a NEAR-ALL-IN PUSH and it FAILED. If he had taken an early 4th CC, made a few PFs in the middle, and worked his way up to controlling his watchtower and his side of the map, he could have easily teched into starport units. But no, he went for the lazy Terran answer, the pre-hive low-tech push.
Yeah we should totally rename bomber 'lazy terran'.
He's basically bitbybit in disguise.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 Jacmert wrote:
Is it just me or did Bomber totally neglect to split/spread his marines in the final engagement? Maybe fatigue was starting to get to him?
Trying to siege his tanks, attack from two angles, stim, splitting his vikings BEAUTIFULLY, and macroing like a god all at once isn't enough for the Fungal menace :/ Sorry Bomber's marines...Terran can't do everything at once. But infestors can.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 12 2012 14:26 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF
Well played Stephano. I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything. Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc. WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech. So many excuses from these Zergs :/ We get it...Bomber made mistakes. Infestors are still ruining SC2.
Nice assumption. Anyone who goes against your balance whine circlejerk is automatically a Zerg payer. Mhm. FYI, I play Protoss, so I don't inherently favor either side of the ZvT matchup :/
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On November 12 2012 14:27 hayata2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. It's not an economic hit. It's the timing on the upgrades, isn't it? Fear of the all in -. dump the money in the bunkers earlier, means no double ebay. Thus bomber was behind in upgrades all game, and when 2-2 finished for his 2-2 200/200 marine tank push Broodlords are out and then all the tanks are invalidated, and the marines get run down by ling baneling as the tanks unsiege. The pre-broodlord timing hit post-broodlord and rolled over.
what? if you watch the vod you'll see that 1/1 had already started before those 3 bunkers. i wasn't listening but i'm afraid day9 might have misled you. of course, there were other mistakes for bomber's loss.
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On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I think Day9 was really overselling just how important that was
No he was not cause its a small invesment but a huge delay on upgrades and moreover a passive mindset. This kind of mindgame is just wonderful.
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On November 12 2012 14:28 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 andaylin wrote:On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah. This. The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up. Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs? Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production! And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank... ... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano... But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck. Right. THAT'S the reaction you have. Come on, just enjoy the games! 4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers. Those 3 bunkers could have been better spent elsewhere on earlier ebays, more barracks, etc. Putting those bunkers up delayed his tech and upgrades even though it wasn't much of a net mineral loss.
Not as bad as an early roach warren and 4 roaches. The main thing it did was scare bomber into being passive so that stephano could get away with playing greedy.
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On November 12 2012 14:28 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 nokz88 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:20 Havik_ wrote:
To some extent I think Terrans have no right to QQ about Infestors until they start making Ghosts in TvZ again. Protoss can complain all they want though :p Yes those same Ghosts Blizzard butchered after Zergs cried rivers because Mvp used them like none other. Its called EMP. You can't whine about Infestors and not make their counter. 1 EMP can neutralize infinite infestors if they're clumped up.
And it hits what, 3-4 if they are?
But it never lands, because the Ghost just died under a hail of broodlings.
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On November 12 2012 14:28 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 14:24 nokz88 wrote:On November 12 2012 14:20 Havik_ wrote:
To some extent I think Terrans have no right to QQ about Infestors until they start making Ghosts in TvZ again. Protoss can complain all they want though :p Yes those same Ghosts Blizzard butchered after Zergs cried rivers because Mvp used them like none other. Its called EMP. You can't whine about Infestors and not make their counter. 1 EMP can neutralize infinite infestors if they're clumped up.
Have you actually you know MADE a ghost before?
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