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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 12 2012 05:23 GMT
#10961
On November 12 2012 14:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
To sleep for a hour and a half before work, or to stay awake?

Don't sleep.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
TheSwedishFan
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden608 Posts
November 12 2012 05:23 GMT
#10962
On November 12 2012 14:21 Necosarius wrote:
06:21 am, yeah it's time to go to sleep. GG GN

Agreed, had a theises i had to write and hand in before 8 am. Was done in time for the final game. Now sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep :D
"Suck it" - Kennigit 2012
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 05:24:34
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10963
On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah.


This.

The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up.

Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs?

Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production!

And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank...

... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano...

But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck.

Right.

THAT'S the reaction you have.

Come on, just enjoy the games!


4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them

I think Day9 was really overselling just how important that was
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10964
On November 12 2012 14:21 PviLLe3 wrote:
an EG member not thanking EG and their 20 sponsors, thats different


I'm all not for plugging the sponsors and shit every other second lmao.

I'm sure they'll talk to him about it.

Kid marches to the beat of his own drum.

Respect.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 05:24:36
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10965
Good night to all the whiners and the others. I think we should be glad because this final was really nail bitting. Anyone could have won it and at least I enjoyed it a lot.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10966
On November 12 2012 14:20 Havik_ wrote:
To some extent I think Terrans have no right to QQ about Infestors until they start making Ghosts in TvZ again. Protoss can complain all they want though :p

Yes those same Ghosts Blizzard butchered after Zergs cried rivers because Mvp used them like none other.
in a state of trance
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10967
On November 12 2012 14:24 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah.


This.

The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up.

Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs?

Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production!

And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank...

... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano...

But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck.

Right.

THAT'S the reaction you have.

Come on, just enjoy the games!


4 roaches is a bigger econ hit than 3 bunkers early game, especially with the bomber build, especially when you can sell them

I know right? That 75 minerals wasted on salvaged bunkers.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10968
On November 12 2012 14:22 AlternativeEgo wrote:
G'night

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

*hug*

Congrats to Stephano for putting on a good performance this weekend and winning the entire thing. And congrats to Bomber for putting up such a strong, entertaining fight throughout his entire run.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10969
On November 12 2012 14:23 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:19 Dodgin wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF

Well played Stephano.


I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything.


Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc.


haha good luck getting that kind of composition on ohana

there's a reason it's gone from GSL.


I don't know which tournament you're watching, but the GSL has always featured Terran champions who knew how to deal wtih the Zerg T3 army. For MMA, it was avoiding direct engagements and exploiting the immobility of brood/infestor with his drops and mini-tactics that eventually wore down the Zerg. For Mvp, it was a heavy mech transition even out of biomech (thors and ravens and whatnot).


I don't know what comment you're reading, but what I said has nothing to do with what you answered.

You're not going to have the same kind of game on Ohana as you will on Metropolis, Atlantis Spaceship or Whirlwind.
SrJoSeZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Peru121 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10970
zergs dont need infestor, they can win vs terrans with T3 and T1 only.
Vs protoss maybe not.
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
November 12 2012 05:24 GMT
#10971
On November 12 2012 14:21 Gator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:18 FlyingTurtle wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:16 Thomanson wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:15 FlyingTurtle wrote:
LOL @ all the fungal whine. Bomber's army was what, 100 marines and just 6 tanks? He was asking for it. Tier 3 army beats a tier 2 army = OP QQ NERF

Well played Stephano.


I'd buy that argument, if Terran had Tier 3 that was any use against....well anything.


Go watch some of Gumiho's games or any games where the Terran makes anything out of his Starports other than Vikings and Meds. Bomber lost because he went pure marine tank versus a hive composition instead of throwing in Ravens, BCs, Thors, etc.


WTF how do build that army on Ohana lol, that game lasted what 20 minutes? Bomber couldn't even take a 4th base


I'll tell you how. You don't go for the maxed-out marine-tank push on 3 bases. You don't fall behind on tech and econ due to a fake roach bust. You don't make the mistakes Bomber made while Stephano rushed up to hive tech.
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
eden-san
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium42 Posts
November 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#10972
So funny people complaining about fungal :D
I'm just so happy to see all those T's crying, those same people who just queue marines up all day long and think they should be able to just get away with it... What a shameless bunch.

Let's be fair and realize that any tech unit is a hard counter to marines (and most first tier units for that matter).
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
November 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#10973
final game
ohana
opponenet hasn't drone scouted since daybreak
why not 2rax..
Icaeth
Profile Joined March 2011
Chile77 Posts
November 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#10974
On November 12 2012 14:21 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:12 Gescom wrote:
Let's all ignore Stephano's fantastic early game build combined with Bomber's huge mid-game mistakes and cry about fungal instead. Guffah.


This.

The story of game five, the amazing story, was Stephano poking in with four roaches and tricking Bomber into thinking that a roach push was incoming. He made THREE BUNKERS! Then Stephano went for hive and greater spire, but he had to hold off Bomber in the middle of the map to get them up.

Then there was the stim that Stephano forced out on, what, like 30 marines? All down to half health, with no medivacs?

Then when the broodlords came out, Bomber made Vikings, but that forced him to cut down on his medivac production!

And Stephano had made more infestors AND speed banes, and Bomber made nothing but marines and clumped them all up... he had a huge bank versus Bomber's negligible bank, Bomber was busy making vikings but Stephano had corrupters AND was prepared for a tech switch into Ultras, which he could have done with ease with his huge bank...

... and it was THE FINAL GAME after a back-and-forth, amazingly close series... 3-2 for Bomber and then 2-1 for Stephano...

But NO... the game sucks because fungal sucks and infestors suck.

Right.

THAT'S the reaction you have.

Come on, just enjoy the games!


+1 I hate to read LR and see page after page of tears about balance. Stephano doesnt even go for mass infestors this game.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#10975
On November 12 2012 14:23 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:22 IMNasty wrote:
lol no thanks for EG sponsors, suspensions incoming


we all know how brutal his last suspension was, he wasn't allowed to participate in a whole whopping amount of 0 tournaments

you do know he had to withdraw from the GD Studio tournament that Thorzain won and DH Bucharest right?
www.superbeerbrothers.com
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#10976
On November 12 2012 14:20 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:17 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:12 shockaslim wrote:
On November 12 2012 14:11 SafeAsCheese wrote:
You dumbasses complaining about fungal when bomber makes 100 marines?

Storm would have the exact same effect in that battle.



Except.......it wouldn't have.

This! at least you can dodge Storm/micro out of it....

Meh IMO Bomber out played Stephano that series. I'm gonna try to limit my whining because I do hate when LR threads fill up with it... but god damn its just frustrating to watch sometimes...


Microing out of storms when you have 100 marines doesn't do anything, besides make you spam stim that your medivacs can never keep up with. Having 70% of your army has a T1 core unit that late in the game is just bad, only arguably marauders can make that work and usually not without great difficulty.


That is an invalid argument, seeing as Terran really has no other option vs broodlords other than vikings and they are equally bad vs fungals. Bomber even tried ravens and they just didn't really do anything.


Ravens (not massing them, just a few spread out to support, similar to high templar) still has never been attempted at a level of micro I would say proficient. HSM has a 6 range fire distance and can be fired before anything such as a corruptor shoots it down unless it gets fungalged, which is a fair deal to trade for not getting the rest of your army with that fungal.

Every time a pro Kr terran tries ravens, they mass upwards of 15 and get them all fungaled, and lose. It's like keeping all templars togeather and complaining about 2 EMP being overpowered.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 05:27:01
November 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#10977
On November 12 2012 14:24 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2012 14:20 Havik_ wrote:
To some extent I think Terrans have no right to QQ about Infestors until they start making Ghosts in TvZ again. Protoss can complain all they want though :p

Yes those same Ghosts Blizzard butchered after Zergs cried rivers because Mvp used them like none other.

wat? everyone could use them because of some like shift queing snipe or some shit so wtf you talking about. Also to watch T3 units like ultras and BLs just get instantly raped even though you had like 10+ of them was fucking stupid too.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
November 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#10978
Is it just me or did Bomber totally neglect to split/spread his marines in the final engagement? Maybe fatigue was starting to get to him?
Plat Support Main #believe
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#10979
Great show Lone Star Clash, the technical hick-ups were unfortunate but the spirit of the tournament is fantastic.

Really tense final. The players obviously suffering in the end, but they sure produced a show.

Thanks!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#10980
At least we now know that Stephano has a natural immunity to the EG curse.
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