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On September 12 2012 21:39 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:35 FLuE wrote:Read my other posts; I'm totally content if he never wins another game. Other people telling him to retire and calling him washed up is the same shit that has really bothered prominent people in our community - even fucking Boxer. The fact that it goes ignored in the foremost foreign starcraft community is really, really sad.
Most of the other people are doing the normal things as fans - being sad, worrying that his play has hit rock bottom, expessing their faith that he will return stronger.
This was an outright attack. You wouldn't go tell a professional football player that they're washed up and it's time to retire in real life (at least not without expecting a fight); if we want this to be a place where fans and pros alike interact, the same standard has to be upheld. Fans called for washed up athletes to retire all the time. It is nothing new. And I don't believe that what someone has done in the past excuses them from criticism or someone's opinion that it might be time to move on. It isn't like Nestea is reading this and will go "oh yeah random internet guy wants me to retire I guess I will." This type of thing is pretty common in regular sports, so the fact that it is happening in e-Sports to me is a good thing. And the fact that no 'names' other than a few TL moderators/writers still post in these threads is, to me, a pretty bad thing. If this is what's needed for growth, then fine, but don't hold it against me if I'm a little bitter about it.
Turns out, people being assholes is growth. ;p
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United States33705 Posts
Oh shit it's the Parting* build
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On September 12 2012 21:38 Bwaaaa wrote:
Please people remeber when mvp had his slump? He came back and won the GSL! Just beacause some people want to think that his slump coinciding with kespa players being introduced means he should give up and let the 'next generation' takeover. I find this point of view even more confusing because he is being knocked out by gom players like supernova and not kespa players.
I think NesTea's last 12 months and the 12 months MVP had before he won the GSL are... significantly different ;P
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On September 12 2012 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
Oh shit it's the Parting* build
Which is known to be horrible on Antiga
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On September 12 2012 21:40 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:39 Jehct wrote:On September 12 2012 21:35 FLuE wrote:Read my other posts; I'm totally content if he never wins another game. Other people telling him to retire and calling him washed up is the same shit that has really bothered prominent people in our community - even fucking Boxer. The fact that it goes ignored in the foremost foreign starcraft community is really, really sad.
Most of the other people are doing the normal things as fans - being sad, worrying that his play has hit rock bottom, expessing their faith that he will return stronger.
This was an outright attack. You wouldn't go tell a professional football player that they're washed up and it's time to retire in real life (at least not without expecting a fight); if we want this to be a place where fans and pros alike interact, the same standard has to be upheld. Fans called for washed up athletes to retire all the time. It is nothing new. And I don't believe that what someone has done in the past excuses them from criticism or someone's opinion that it might be time to move on. It isn't like Nestea is reading this and will go "oh yeah random internet guy wants me to retire I guess I will." This type of thing is pretty common in regular sports, so the fact that it is happening in e-Sports to me is a good thing. And the fact that no 'names' other than a few TL moderators/writers still post in these threads is, to me, a pretty bad thing. If this is what's needed for growth, then fine, but don't hold it against me if I'm a little bitter about it. Turns out, people being assholes is growth. ;p
Look at UFC - it's grown so much in the last 10 years, and its run by the biggest asshole in sports!
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On September 12 2012 21:40 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:37 Jehct wrote:On September 12 2012 21:32 Incomplet wrote:On September 12 2012 21:22 Jehct wrote:I initially posted this as an edit, but I really don't want it to be missed/passed over as leaving things like this not-dealt-with is what drives prominent people from these forums. On September 12 2012 21:17 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah Nestea is that overdue ham in your fridge which you know you will never eat or even give to your dog, but keep forgetting to throw it away. Sorry man, your time is up, make way for the new Zerg Overminds - Life, Leenock, Curious and the elephant himself, RorO. Yeah, fuck you. The moment you make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing something you love, and have experienced years of hard work leading you to be one of the absolute best at what you do, you can tell him it's time to retire. Until then, you can shut the fuck up and show some respect. This kind of shit shouldn't be welcome here. Dude, loosen up a little. Nestea has had accomplished a lot with 10 successive code S participations and 3 championships and I respect him for that. But it is no secret that he has been failing for a very long time now. And when you are playing for a living, and not bringing in the cash from it, there comes a point in time where a career change may be needed - this is only logical. With Nestea's stance in the ESF during the whole KeSPA controversy and his general respected reputation among Koreans, there is no doubt he can gain some kind of managerial position in the E-Sports scene, or even as a coach. At the very least he could plan a major comeback when HOTS comes out. But as of right now we need to be realistic and acknowledge that at this rate, a progamer career isn't the best choice for him. Except you're questioning his major life decisions. If he's happiest playing the game, even without success, then support him in that, or express something completely different. Regardless of what's the most productive, he's doing what he wants to do, and that's something that should be respected. You're acting like the overbearing parent that just wants their child to settle down and get married already. Sure, feel that, but you sure as fuck don't have any right to express it so long as you see them as an equal and an adult, capable of making their own decisions. I'm telling you, and all the others who express this kind of thing, to think about respect before you post this kind of thing. Sure, I can loosen up, but every now and then one of these posts makes a big impact on someone. And, to me at least, that's really stupid. Why waste all this time and effort and energy getting worked up by relatively benign posts on the internet? Isn't that exhausting?
Whether I'm discussing strategy or defending a viewpoint, it's all just a semi-social time-sink and I'm pretty content with doing it during lulls in the game. The fact that we've had a reasonably intelligent discussion of the issue is, to me, pretty enjoyable. I don't have any regrets, and I don't feel particularly exhausted O_o
Certainly enjoyed it more than mindlessly killing shit in Diablo 3 while I wait for something worth watching to happen ^_^
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On September 12 2012 21:39 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:35 FLuE wrote:Read my other posts; I'm totally content if he never wins another game. Other people telling him to retire and calling him washed up is the same shit that has really bothered prominent people in our community - even fucking Boxer. The fact that it goes ignored in the foremost foreign starcraft community is really, really sad.
Most of the other people are doing the normal things as fans - being sad, worrying that his play has hit rock bottom, expessing their faith that he will return stronger.
This was an outright attack. You wouldn't go tell a professional football player that they're washed up and it's time to retire in real life (at least not without expecting a fight); if we want this to be a place where fans and pros alike interact, the same standard has to be upheld. Fans called for washed up athletes to retire all the time. It is nothing new. And I don't believe that what someone has done in the past excuses them from criticism or someone's opinion that it might be time to move on. It isn't like Nestea is reading this and will go "oh yeah random internet guy wants me to retire I guess I will." This type of thing is pretty common in regular sports, so the fact that it is happening in e-Sports to me is a good thing. And the fact that no 'names' other than a few TL moderators/writers still post in these threads is, to me, a pretty bad thing. If this is what's needed for growth, then fine, but don't hold it against me if I'm a little bitter about it.
I can't remember a time when the LR threads have ever had " names " ( whatever the fuck that means ) post in them regularly. It's the TL community and the TL writers maybe occasionally Khaldor Snowbird or John will hop in and say something.
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United States33705 Posts
reminds me of hero's 10 gate blink shit
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On September 12 2012 21:38 Bwaaaa wrote:
Please people remeber when mvp had his slump? He came back and won the GSL! Just beacause some people want to think that his slump coinciding with kespa players being introduced means he should give up and let the 'next generation' takeover. I find this point of view even more confusing because he is being knocked out by gom players like supernova and not kespa players.
Actually, Mvp's slump could be considered a dream for many pro players out there.
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On September 12 2012 21:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:Which is known to be horrible on Antiga
Getting 3rd is hard on Antiga unless you take it early imo, so it should be pretty strong.
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On September 12 2012 21:37 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:32 Incomplet wrote:On September 12 2012 21:22 Jehct wrote:I initially posted this as an edit, but I really don't want it to be missed/passed over as leaving things like this not-dealt-with is what drives prominent people from these forums. On September 12 2012 21:17 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah Nestea is that overdue ham in your fridge which you know you will never eat or even give to your dog, but keep forgetting to throw it away. Sorry man, your time is up, make way for the new Zerg Overminds - Life, Leenock, Curious and the elephant himself, RorO. Yeah, fuck you. The moment you make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing something you love, and have experienced years of hard work leading you to be one of the absolute best at what you do, you can tell him it's time to retire. Until then, you can shut the fuck up and show some respect. This kind of shit shouldn't be welcome here. Dude, loosen up a little. Nestea has had accomplished a lot with 10 successive code S participations and 3 championships and I respect him for that. But it is no secret that he has been failing for a very long time now. And when you are playing for a living, and not bringing in the cash from it, there comes a point in time where a career change may be needed - this is only logical. With Nestea's stance in the ESF during the whole KeSPA controversy and his general respected reputation among Koreans, there is no doubt he can gain some kind of managerial position in the E-Sports scene, or even as a coach. At the very least he could plan a major comeback when HOTS comes out. But as of right now we need to be realistic and acknowledge that at this rate, a progamer career isn't the best choice for him. Except you're questioning his major life decisions. If he's happiest playing the game, even without success, then support him in that, or express something completely different. Regardless of what's the most productive, he's doing what he wants to do, and that's something that should be respected. You're acting like the overbearing parent that just wants their child to settle down and get married already. Sure, feel that, but you sure as fuck don't have any right to express it so long as you see them as an equal and an adult, capable of making their own decisions. I'm telling you, and all the others who express this kind of thing, to think about respect before you post this kind of thing. Sure, I can loosen up, but every now and then one of these posts makes a big impact on someone. And, to me at least, that's really stupid.
I understand how you feel, and you have a point to an extent. But you have to understand that such is the nature and passion of E-sports. Fans will turn gay for their favorite players and ridicule other players for a multitude of reasons such as underperforming or being over-hyped. And for E-sports to have such passionate fans is nothing bar spectacular. Like I said, I understand why you may feel upset, but if you are going to continue to feel emotionally connected, then the forums may not be the best place for you to take too seriously because such is the nature of the Internet. Thats the whole Internet, not just TL forums.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Not showing blink = wonderful.
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On September 12 2012 21:43 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:38 Bwaaaa wrote:
Please people remeber when mvp had his slump? He came back and won the GSL! Just beacause some people want to think that his slump coinciding with kespa players being introduced means he should give up and let the 'next generation' takeover. I find this point of view even more confusing because he is being knocked out by gom players like supernova and not kespa players. Actually, Mvp's slump could be considered a dream for many pro players out there.
Yea. Mvp's "slump" was him simply not winning everything.
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On September 12 2012 21:38 Bwaaaa wrote:
Please people remeber when mvp had his slump? He came back and won the GSL! Just beacause some people want to think that his slump coinciding with kespa players being introduced means he should give up and let the 'next generation' takeover. I find this point of view even more confusing because he is being knocked out by gom players like supernova and not kespa players.
The thing is, the problems with Nestea's play look deeper than what you would call a slump. The game isn't static, it evolves over time. Look at Nestea's creep spread in the early seasons, which for those days was decent. He still spreads creep the same way on a good day, but now the standard is much much higher. That's just one small example.
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On September 12 2012 21:42 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:40 rothsbury wrote:On September 12 2012 21:37 Jehct wrote:On September 12 2012 21:32 Incomplet wrote:On September 12 2012 21:22 Jehct wrote:I initially posted this as an edit, but I really don't want it to be missed/passed over as leaving things like this not-dealt-with is what drives prominent people from these forums. On September 12 2012 21:17 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah Nestea is that overdue ham in your fridge which you know you will never eat or even give to your dog, but keep forgetting to throw it away. Sorry man, your time is up, make way for the new Zerg Overminds - Life, Leenock, Curious and the elephant himself, RorO. Yeah, fuck you. The moment you make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing something you love, and have experienced years of hard work leading you to be one of the absolute best at what you do, you can tell him it's time to retire. Until then, you can shut the fuck up and show some respect. This kind of shit shouldn't be welcome here. Dude, loosen up a little. Nestea has had accomplished a lot with 10 successive code S participations and 3 championships and I respect him for that. But it is no secret that he has been failing for a very long time now. And when you are playing for a living, and not bringing in the cash from it, there comes a point in time where a career change may be needed - this is only logical. With Nestea's stance in the ESF during the whole KeSPA controversy and his general respected reputation among Koreans, there is no doubt he can gain some kind of managerial position in the E-Sports scene, or even as a coach. At the very least he could plan a major comeback when HOTS comes out. But as of right now we need to be realistic and acknowledge that at this rate, a progamer career isn't the best choice for him. Except you're questioning his major life decisions. If he's happiest playing the game, even without success, then support him in that, or express something completely different. Regardless of what's the most productive, he's doing what he wants to do, and that's something that should be respected. You're acting like the overbearing parent that just wants their child to settle down and get married already. Sure, feel that, but you sure as fuck don't have any right to express it so long as you see them as an equal and an adult, capable of making their own decisions. I'm telling you, and all the others who express this kind of thing, to think about respect before you post this kind of thing. Sure, I can loosen up, but every now and then one of these posts makes a big impact on someone. And, to me at least, that's really stupid. Why waste all this time and effort and energy getting worked up by relatively benign posts on the internet? Isn't that exhausting? Whether I'm discussing strategy or defending a viewpoint, it's all just a semi-social time-sink and I'm pretty content with doing it during lulls in the game. The fact that we've had a reasonably intelligent discussion of the issue is, to me, pretty enjoyable. I don't have any regrets, and I don't feel particularly exhausted O_o Certainly enjoyed it more than mindlessly killing shit in Diablo 3 while I wait for something worth watching to happen ^_^
*tips hat to you* I concur... I also am exhausted from killing shit in Diablo 3... and I haven't played in months!
PS- stalkers beat marauders today.
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Lol factory. This almost never works, but it'd be hilarious to - never mind.
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At least that was a good thought with the factory
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United States33705 Posts
the latest fucking upgrades for JYP, he's gonna die unless these DTs do stuff :o
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With three Orbitals up, it's a virtual certainty that a scan is never too far away.
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