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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 12:37:44
September 06 2012 12:36 GMT
#1221
My blink all in prediction looks good.


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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 06 2012 12:37 GMT
#1222
On September 06 2012 21:35 acinx wrote:
ghostking indeed damn. though i'm thinking..mass marader/medivac/ghost kinda dies to just mass zealot right..you cant kite chargelots

You can kite all their attacks that aren't from a charge.
lolspoon
Profile Joined March 2012
450 Posts
September 06 2012 12:37 GMT
#1223
Sorry for OT , when is going to happen Mana's group?
NERD THATS TEH WAY WE LIEV
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 06 2012 12:37 GMT
#1224
On September 06 2012 21:34 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:32 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:41 Hypemeup wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:40 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:39 etherealfall wrote:
wow. who needs the oracle when 2 high templars kill SO MUCH.

Especially when warp in storms are returning in HOTS


Wait, for real?

That would be so fucking stupid.

Unless something has changed since i looked at the stats then yes. With the mothership core having 200 energy, and energize being 25 energy, a mothership core can fill 8 HTs energy gauges, giving them 2 storms each. That means with some quick warp ins and a few casts you can have up to 16 storms at the expansion the terran is pushing after killing your army, limited up to the 16 by your bank (templars you can produce) and core energy (even at low energy, say 50, you can fill 2 HTs energy, giving 4 warp in storms).


Not looking forward to that.

Just go fastest possible warhounds. It destroys every normal protoss opener.

It's beta, it's gonna have to change loads and I wouldn't speculate on balance yet to be honest.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 12:39:56
September 06 2012 12:37 GMT
#1225
On September 06 2012 21:35 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:33 FataLe wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:31 Hassybaby wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:26 FataLe wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:25 Hassybaby wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:23 FataLe wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:22 Hassybaby wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:20 FataLe wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:19 Dodgin wrote:
Byun making TvP late game look Terran favored here.

It favours those with better control.


It favours those who are better players

Nope. Untrue.
Late-game, and the way SC2 Mechanics are set up, you'll likely lose the game if you lose the 200/200 battle soundly.
In late-game TvP, control reigns supreme.


So are you saying the guy with better control is still a worse player? Because it's not just control, it's decision making, positioning and correct transition choices

And multitasking

How many games have you seen a Terran get a mid-game lead only to lose the 200/200 end-game battle and then go onto lose the game?

I'm saying is you can be a better player, and have played the game better up until that point. But at the late-game in TvP, Control is the biggest deciding factor (more often than not) in which side wins.


And I'm saying that control is not the only factor that makes up the late game, and a LOT of games have proven that.

And I've seen a lot of Terran get a mid-game lead and totally fuck up the area where they're fighting and lose everything
Or a Terran get a mid-game lead, not properly see what his opponent is doing and be caught off guard and lose his army
Or a Terran get a mid-game lead, see the tech path his Toss opponent is going and not to anything about it

I know what you're trying to say. Yet nothing you've said actually disproves my statement.
Those with superior control at end-game in TvP are generally favoured.


Is that not the same as saying that the matchup, disregarding whether it is thought to be entertaining or not, is not in such a bad shape?

Skill certainly matters a lot in those situations. And we do not see a lot of players really hitting any kind of skill ceiling, at least not at the moment or in the foreseeable future.

That's exactly what it is. You'll still hear a lot of vocal Terrans thinking it's 2011 or the odd Protoss yelping at ghosts. But really, the late-game in TvP at least is balanced imo.
Edit: as far as blob v blob goes.
hi. big fan.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 06 2012 12:37 GMT
#1226
On September 06 2012 21:36 shell wrote:
I feel like SKT|rain is one of the best protoss player i ever saw!

he is so smart, fast, really good control, patience.. it's like a perfect protoss

He lost against happy and he isn't perfect but he is probably the best Protoss right now.. especially in PvT.. PvP i don't think i ever saw him play and in PvZ i'm more impressed with Liquid'hero's latest games


Really? I was pretty disappointed in him and HerO's PvT has looked a lot better then his. Also Seed, Squirtle, Parting... All of those are better than him imo.
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gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1227
just one question from a terran who are suck at TvP late game. how do you spam and cast fast emps like Byun did in the first game? do you select your ghosts, then Shift + E + Click click click.. on protoss army? or do you spam the E key and click on the army? i had tried the shift trick before but it doesnt seems working. The ghost will continue attacking but not casting the emps!
Make Love Not War
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1228
On September 06 2012 21:33 billywayne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:31 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:30 billywayne wrote:
and people complain about late game tvp


You realise Byun had about 2-3x the army value of Genius for about 15 minutes, right?


of course, how does he attacks the PF? He kept harassing the third and the fifth, but it wasnt enough. I'm not whining, just saying there is how to win lategame tvp and byun just showed that.


Sad for genius though, really like his play D:

The whole point is that you don't attack. When both players are maxed with 3/3 then the longer things go on, the better for the Protoss thanks to warp in. The only possible danger is a BC switch, which is. . .well, it's not exactly common right now. It's up to Terran to attack you; attacking a PF in such a situation is stupid.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1229
On September 06 2012 21:37 lolspoon wrote:
Sorry for OT , when is going to happen Mana's group?

Monday !
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1230
On September 06 2012 21:36 shell wrote:
I feel like SKT|rain is one of the best protoss player i ever saw!

he is so smart, fast, really good control, patience.. it's like a perfect protoss

He lost against happy and he isn't perfect but he is probably the best Protoss right now.. especially in PvT.. PvP i don't think i ever saw him play and in PvZ i'm more impressed with Liquid'hero's latest games


He definitely look good but "Best protoss" now is a MUCH MUCH harder title to obtain now than 6 months ago.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1231
On September 06 2012 21:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:34 Greenei wrote:
On September 06 2012 00:04 antifan wrote:
Taeja lost to jjakji lmfao. How does he expect to beat Mvp who beat mkp and top in GSL finals and MMA who beat Mvp in a GSL final?


good ol transitive relation.


Funny thing is, Taeja knocked out MVP last season.


Jjakji has also beaten MVP in a TvT series in the last few months =p
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1232
On September 06 2012 21:38 gengka wrote:
just one question from a terran who are suck at TvP late game. how do you spam and cast fast emps like Byun did in the first game? do you select your ghosts, then Shift + E + Click click click.. on protoss army? or do you spam the E key and click on the army? i had tried the shift trick before but it doesnt seems working. The ghost will continue attacking but not casting the emps!


you hit E and then left click very quickly ;o
DougJDempsey
Profile Joined April 2010
747 Posts
September 06 2012 12:38 GMT
#1233
On September 06 2012 21:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:34 Greenei wrote:
On September 06 2012 00:04 antifan wrote:
Taeja lost to jjakji lmfao. How does he expect to beat Mvp who beat mkp and top in GSL finals and MMA who beat Mvp in a GSL final?


good ol transitive relation.


Funny thing is, Taeja knocked out MVP last season.


tbh alot of people have beaten taeja when he was off his game. TSL4 vs first too. not that he played bad, it just wasnt his usual incredible standard of play. but when he's on point with his A game, there's just no beating him.
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 12:40:23
September 06 2012 12:39 GMT
#1234
On September 06 2012 21:33 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:32 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:41 Hypemeup wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:40 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:39 etherealfall wrote:
wow. who needs the oracle when 2 high templars kill SO MUCH.

Especially when warp in storms are returning in HOTS


Wait, for real?

That would be so fucking stupid.

Unless something has changed since i looked at the stats then yes. With the mothership core having 200 energy, and energize being 25 energy, a mothership core can fill 8 HTs energy gauges, giving them 2 storms each. That means with some quick warp ins and a few casts you can have up to 16 storms at the expansion the terran is pushing after killing your army, limited up to the 16 by your bank (templars you can produce) and core energy (even at low energy, say 50, you can fill 2 HTs energy, giving 4 warp in storms).

I think energize is 100 energy ?

According to liquipedia it costs 25 energy (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mothership_Core)
That page doesnt give you the max energy of the core, but it will be at least 100 due to the cost of mass recall.
The 200 max figure i gave was from here: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mothership_core
I used that site as i was thinking about warp in storms a while back, before mothership core had a page on liquipedia
EDIT: Max 100 energy is still 8 warp in storms.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 06 2012 12:40 GMT
#1235
Ah it's the nice mid game hellion drop Byun did vs Seed.

Not actually seen many people do this build despite having been effective there, Baby broke it out in PL once but can't remember many other occasions.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 06 2012 12:40 GMT
#1236
On September 06 2012 21:37 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:34 Hypemeup wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:32 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:41 Hypemeup wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:40 Blacktion wrote:
On September 06 2012 18:39 etherealfall wrote:
wow. who needs the oracle when 2 high templars kill SO MUCH.

Especially when warp in storms are returning in HOTS


Wait, for real?

That would be so fucking stupid.

Unless something has changed since i looked at the stats then yes. With the mothership core having 200 energy, and energize being 25 energy, a mothership core can fill 8 HTs energy gauges, giving them 2 storms each. That means with some quick warp ins and a few casts you can have up to 16 storms at the expansion the terran is pushing after killing your army, limited up to the 16 by your bank (templars you can produce) and core energy (even at low energy, say 50, you can fill 2 HTs energy, giving 4 warp in storms).


Not looking forward to that.

Just go fastest possible warhounds. It destroys every normal protoss opener.

It's beta, it's gonna have to change loads and I wouldn't speculate on balance yet to be honest.


especially since alot of people spread false informations everywhere already. Best thing is to just ignore.
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
September 06 2012 12:41 GMT
#1237
On September 06 2012 21:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:38 gengka wrote:
just one question from a terran who are suck at TvP late game. how do you spam and cast fast emps like Byun did in the first game? do you select your ghosts, then Shift + E + Click click click.. on protoss army? or do you spam the E key and click on the army? i had tried the shift trick before but it doesnt seems working. The ghost will continue attacking but not casting the emps!


you hit E and then left click very quickly ;o


oh so you mean hit E and hold, and left clicks? no need shift command?
Make Love Not War
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
September 06 2012 12:41 GMT
#1238
Warped in two zealots to surround a hellion and gets the kill. Was sick.
Long live the King of Wings
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 06 2012 12:41 GMT
#1239
On September 06 2012 21:36 shell wrote:
I feel like SKT|rain is one of the best protoss player i ever saw!

he is so smart, fast, really good control, patience.. it's like a perfect protoss

He lost against happy and he isn't perfect but he is probably the best Protoss right now.. especially in PvT.. PvP i don't think i ever saw him play and in PvZ i'm more impressed with Liquid'hero's latest games

are you serious?
parting and squirtle are easily better
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 06 2012 12:41 GMT
#1240
On September 06 2012 21:38 DougJDempsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 21:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 06 2012 21:34 Greenei wrote:
On September 06 2012 00:04 antifan wrote:
Taeja lost to jjakji lmfao. How does he expect to beat Mvp who beat mkp and top in GSL finals and MMA who beat Mvp in a GSL final?


good ol transitive relation.


Funny thing is, Taeja knocked out MVP last season.


tbh alot of people have beaten taeja when he was off his game. TSL4 vs first too. not that he played bad, it just wasnt his usual incredible standard of play. but when he's on point with his A game, there's just no beating him.


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