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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
August 16 2012 16:49 GMT
#2901
that drone roasting, 54 drones in like 4 mins jeeeez
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
August 16 2012 16:49 GMT
#2902
What the hell is with these casters?

Feast vs Nestea.

Warps in stalkers against 22 lings and it's called a "Great move".... No.
Learn to count with CatsPajamas!
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#2903
Feast played that out pretty badly
¯\_(シ)_/¯
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#2904
On August 17 2012 01:46 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:45 aintz wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:43 aintz wrote:
what the crap, what stream is mvp vs violet on...

The French stream


thx. man mvp up like 30supply he mustve roasted alot of drones

Erm no, he was never up supply sorry...


Erm no you must not be watching the same game, period. When I tuned in ~3 minutes ago it was:

Mvp -- 95 supply vs. Violet -- 38 supply
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#2905
On August 17 2012 01:47 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:47 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 TheDwf wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:44 Topdoller wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:42 Chicodog wrote:
It annoys me quite a bit that these boring strategies are still viable in the ZvP matchup. Mass mutalisk, mass roach and mass lings. It shouldnt be viable to just mass one unit.



Add mass infestor, mass stalker, mass broodlord. Its a fundamental failing of SC2 I am afraid

To be fair, mass Stalker isn't something you can really "go." It's usually a composition you remax on after winning a fight, unless you're 7gating or something.

Doesn't Creator have a 3-bases mass blink Stalkers build?

With Immortals and Sentries? Yeah.


and no, it's like a 1 gate triple nexus -> + 3 attack max out on like pure blink stalkers

Against Zerg, that's incredibly risky.


any expand build that keeps up in economy can be considered risky vs zerg because you don't know if they're just gonna kill you unless you go stargate. and even then, they can just go mondragon and still do damage. People who are 12039130913102301329130193012390x better than me and you use it, so I'd assume that they know what they're doing
can i get my estro logo back pls
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#2906
On August 17 2012 01:50 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:46 Whatson wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 aintz wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:43 aintz wrote:
what the crap, what stream is mvp vs violet on...

The French stream


thx. man mvp up like 30supply he mustve roasted alot of drones

Erm no, he was never up supply sorry...


Erm no you must not be watching the same game, period. When I tuned in ~3 minutes ago it was:

Mvp -- 95 supply vs. Violet -- 38 supply

Look at the edit lol
¯\_(シ)_/¯
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#2907
On August 17 2012 01:45 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:43 aintz wrote:
what the crap, what stream is mvp vs violet on...

The French stream


thx. man mvp up like 30supply he mustve roasted alot of drones


He did get some good drone kills. But Violet's build is an aggressive build (not all-in) which sacrifice quite a bit of early game eco. But with 2 banshees, Violet basically needed all his queens to defend the expansion so the hellions can just walk in. Violet needed like 6 queens to hold that and that is not possible with the roach build (since you still need to build drones).
vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2908
IEM's results page says Kas beat MVP 2-1...that's backwards, isn't it?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2909
On August 17 2012 01:50 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:47 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:47 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 TheDwf wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:44 Topdoller wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:42 Chicodog wrote:
It annoys me quite a bit that these boring strategies are still viable in the ZvP matchup. Mass mutalisk, mass roach and mass lings. It shouldnt be viable to just mass one unit.



Add mass infestor, mass stalker, mass broodlord. Its a fundamental failing of SC2 I am afraid

To be fair, mass Stalker isn't something you can really "go." It's usually a composition you remax on after winning a fight, unless you're 7gating or something.

Doesn't Creator have a 3-bases mass blink Stalkers build?

With Immortals and Sentries? Yeah.


and no, it's like a 1 gate triple nexus -> + 3 attack max out on like pure blink stalkers

Against Zerg, that's incredibly risky.


any expand build that keeps up in economy can be considered risky vs zerg because you don't know if they're just gonna kill you unless you go stargate. and even then, they can just go mondragon and still do damage. People who are 12039130913102301329130193012390x better than me and you use it, so I'd assume that they know what they're doing

It's not nonviable or something, but it's very risky. It's not a go-to build like Mutas or mass Roach are.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2910
oh, Bnet...
can i get my estro logo back pls
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2911
On August 17 2012 01:49 Yagami wrote:
MvP takes game 2 against Violet.

He's really making mech TvZ work


He is playing mech because of his wrists.
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2912
On August 17 2012 01:51 vandelayindustries wrote:
IEM's results page says Kas beat MVP 2-1...that's backwards, isn't it?

Yes MvP won 2-1
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 16:54:32
August 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#2913
On August 17 2012 01:49 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:46 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:44 Topdoller wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:42 Chicodog wrote:
It annoys me quite a bit that these boring strategies are still viable in the ZvP matchup. Mass mutalisk, mass roach and mass lings. It shouldnt be viable to just mass one unit.



Add mass infestor, mass stalker, mass broodlord. Its a fundamental failing of SC2 I am afraid

To be fair, mass Stalker isn't something you can really "go." It's usually a composition you remax on after winning a fight, unless you're 7gating or something.

Also this, pure stalker is terrible when fungals come out, you only really see it in the situations Shiori outlined.



Yeah mass Infestor kills mass stalker fast


But mass roach works well vs Robo tech !

Come on mass units only work if your opponent let's you.
vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
August 16 2012 16:52 GMT
#2914
On August 17 2012 01:51 Yagami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:51 vandelayindustries wrote:
IEM's results page says Kas beat MVP 2-1...that's backwards, isn't it?

Yes MvP won 2-1


Cool, just making sure Hope he can take game 3 against Violet !
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 16 2012 16:52 GMT
#2915
On August 17 2012 01:51 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:50 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:47 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:47 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 TheDwf wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:44 Topdoller wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:42 Chicodog wrote:
It annoys me quite a bit that these boring strategies are still viable in the ZvP matchup. Mass mutalisk, mass roach and mass lings. It shouldnt be viable to just mass one unit.



Add mass infestor, mass stalker, mass broodlord. Its a fundamental failing of SC2 I am afraid

To be fair, mass Stalker isn't something you can really "go." It's usually a composition you remax on after winning a fight, unless you're 7gating or something.

Doesn't Creator have a 3-bases mass blink Stalkers build?

With Immortals and Sentries? Yeah.


and no, it's like a 1 gate triple nexus -> + 3 attack max out on like pure blink stalkers

Against Zerg, that's incredibly risky.


any expand build that keeps up in economy can be considered risky vs zerg because you don't know if they're just gonna kill you unless you go stargate. and even then, they can just go mondragon and still do damage. People who are 12039130913102301329130193012390x better than me and you use it, so I'd assume that they know what they're doing

It's not nonviable or something, but it's very risky. It's not a go-to build like Mutas or mass Roach are.


definitely not a go to build. Like I said, I've only seen it on entombed. Though to be fair, the only player who still says Muta is a go-to build is NesTea hahaha
can i get my estro logo back pls
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 16 2012 16:53 GMT
#2916
On August 17 2012 01:49 Yagami wrote:
MvP takes game 2 against Violet.

He's really making mech TvZ work



How does he come back from being so far behind?? That's nuts and with Mech too??
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Relaaja
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland193 Posts
August 16 2012 16:53 GMT
#2917
On August 17 2012 01:51 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:49 Yagami wrote:
MvP takes game 2 against Violet.

He's really making mech TvZ work


He is playing mech because of his wrists.


Thanks. I laughed so hard at this.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
August 16 2012 16:53 GMT
#2918
the french streamers computer needs an upgrade! fps lag ftl
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 16 2012 16:54 GMT
#2919
On August 17 2012 01:52 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:51 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:50 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:47 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:47 aRyuujin wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:46 TheDwf wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:44 Topdoller wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:42 Chicodog wrote:
It annoys me quite a bit that these boring strategies are still viable in the ZvP matchup. Mass mutalisk, mass roach and mass lings. It shouldnt be viable to just mass one unit.



Add mass infestor, mass stalker, mass broodlord. Its a fundamental failing of SC2 I am afraid

To be fair, mass Stalker isn't something you can really "go." It's usually a composition you remax on after winning a fight, unless you're 7gating or something.

Doesn't Creator have a 3-bases mass blink Stalkers build?

With Immortals and Sentries? Yeah.


and no, it's like a 1 gate triple nexus -> + 3 attack max out on like pure blink stalkers

Against Zerg, that's incredibly risky.


any expand build that keeps up in economy can be considered risky vs zerg because you don't know if they're just gonna kill you unless you go stargate. and even then, they can just go mondragon and still do damage. People who are 12039130913102301329130193012390x better than me and you use it, so I'd assume that they know what they're doing

It's not nonviable or something, but it's very risky. It's not a go-to build like Mutas or mass Roach are.


definitely not a go to build. Like I said, I've only seen it on entombed. Though to be fair, the only player who still says Muta is a go-to build is NesTea hahaha

that's because Nestea, for all his slumping, is still the smartest Zerg player. Muta builds are the hardest builds for Protoss to deal with because it's not a matter of us FFing or hitting a timing. Some maps are insanely difficult to defend against Muta harass just because of the air space, and because even if you open Archons you're still can't really push out against a wall of Spines without losing a base trade.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 16 2012 16:54 GMT
#2920
On August 17 2012 01:53 Relaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 01:51 Godwrath wrote:
On August 17 2012 01:49 Yagami wrote:
MvP takes game 2 against Violet.

He's really making mech TvZ work


He is playing mech because of his wrists.


Thanks. I laughed so hard at this.


actually I think he said something to that effect- that bio hurt his wrists too much after the injury so now he goes more mech where he doesn't have to strain them as much
can i get my estro logo back pls
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