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On August 17 2012 00:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
haven't seen this Feast fellow in awhile, I remember him being somewhat good before. Might be a decent series.
Feast concetrated on school for a while and didnt go to much tournaments
now he is back again (full time?), such a big talent coached by Grubby ... watch out
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On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong
Do you want me to tell you that you're Austrian?
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On August 17 2012 00:23 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 17 2012 00:19 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 23:52 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:45 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:44 Orek wrote:On August 16 2012 23:43 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:41 Orek wrote:
If even pro Zergs don't micro, then Raven works. Why bother thinking about 10 years from now when Zerg starts microing and theorycraft that Raven is bad? Just use them and win. Zerg can split? Sure, as if you cannot split raven... Pro Zergs eventually learnt to micro against Vortex Archons, even if they still painfully fail at times. Why wouldn't the same thing occur for Ravens? Not to mention that getting a Raven fleet is way harder than building a Mothership. Let's complain when that finally happens. Actually it already happens when the Zerg player does not go into Zombie mode. well protoss players back then said " zerg can just micro and one day mothership vortex will be useless and pvz will be so imba *cry*cry*" now terrans say "zergs might eventually be THAT good at spreading their air units that HSM won't be careful anymore" and what did protosses do? they continued using vortexes and it still worked even if they didnt kill 100% of the broods anymore terrans just need to do it so they at least force the zerg to micro and it will still be impossible to minimize the splash enough that HSM would be useless did you ever try to micro corrupters and broodlords I tried that back when i still played terran and wondered why zergs always mess up their BL/corruptor spread vs vortex so badly it's fricking impossible to spread them ans still have them attack at the same time It's not a problem to spread them and have them sit idle in the back but that is not what you want to happen either Protoss keep resorting to Vortex it because it is pretty much the only potential way to beat a good Inf/BL player in an engagement. The other is mass upgraded air which is even tougher to pull off. The only other reliable way I've seen lategame PvZ be played is HerO's warp prism play, which incidentally I'd love to see a bit more, not sure why other people don't exploit the immobility of the composition more a la Terrans. what the hell dude mothership is very reliable or people woudln't use it so are HSM's: they will always do damage or at least force the zerg to spread out very very very well which will make the air army very easy for vikings to kill I don't get what your problem is What problem? I don't like how it functions, I didn't ever say it can't work, or can't regularly work, but I just don't like throwing all my eggs in one basket, especially if it relies on my opponent making an error to actually work. it doesnt rely on an error
Yes it does. It relies on Zergs not blocking your Ravens with Fungals. This + splitting means that HSM are not guaranteed to land at all.
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On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong
Ask Austrians about being called German. Same thing.
Edit: The_Unseen is too fast 
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Nestea vs Pig on GLHF stream
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On August 17 2012 00:23 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 17 2012 00:19 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 23:52 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:45 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:44 Orek wrote:On August 16 2012 23:43 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:41 Orek wrote:
If even pro Zergs don't micro, then Raven works. Why bother thinking about 10 years from now when Zerg starts microing and theorycraft that Raven is bad? Just use them and win. Zerg can split? Sure, as if you cannot split raven... Pro Zergs eventually learnt to micro against Vortex Archons, even if they still painfully fail at times. Why wouldn't the same thing occur for Ravens? Not to mention that getting a Raven fleet is way harder than building a Mothership. Let's complain when that finally happens. Actually it already happens when the Zerg player does not go into Zombie mode. well protoss players back then said " zerg can just micro and one day mothership vortex will be useless and pvz will be so imba *cry*cry*" now terrans say "zergs might eventually be THAT good at spreading their air units that HSM won't be careful anymore" and what did protosses do? they continued using vortexes and it still worked even if they didnt kill 100% of the broods anymore terrans just need to do it so they at least force the zerg to micro and it will still be impossible to minimize the splash enough that HSM would be useless did you ever try to micro corrupters and broodlords I tried that back when i still played terran and wondered why zergs always mess up their BL/corruptor spread vs vortex so badly it's fricking impossible to spread them ans still have them attack at the same time It's not a problem to spread them and have them sit idle in the back but that is not what you want to happen either Protoss keep resorting to Vortex it because it is pretty much the only potential way to beat a good Inf/BL player in an engagement. The other is mass upgraded air which is even tougher to pull off. The only other reliable way I've seen lategame PvZ be played is HerO's warp prism play, which incidentally I'd love to see a bit more, not sure why other people don't exploit the immobility of the composition more a la Terrans. what the hell dude mothership is very reliable or people woudln't use it so are HSM's: they will always do damage or at least force the zerg to spread out very very very well which will make the air army very easy for vikings to kill I don't get what your problem is What problem? I don't like how it functions, I didn't ever say it can't work, or can't regularly work, but I just don't like throwing all my eggs in one basket, especially if it relies on my opponent making an error to actually work. it doesnt rely on an error it forces the zerg to split and that makes the air army way weaker because the vikings can just come in from one side and kill it off if the zerg is VERY VERY VERY well spread out and you don't think HSM will do damage then just use mass PDD and watch the zerg air vanish noneteless
I was referring to the vortex/BL dynamic after you had brought it up initially. Apologies if I didn't make that clear in my post that was exclusively talking about PvZ stuff
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GLHF got more PiG action for those of you who are into that.
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just went over to liquipedia and saw that Mvp finished his game with PiG. Is it shown on any stream just now?
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On August 17 2012 00:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Nestea vs Pig on GLHF stream
Many thanks.
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On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong
Yea but its not the nationality, otherwise it should be "french speaking friend".
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Feast is trying to grow his hair out to look like Stephano.
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On August 17 2012 00:26 iglocska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong Ask Austrians about being called German. Same thing. Edit: The_Unseen is too fast
Considering that those slimy Germans stole our anthem it might be worse 
Honestly, I don't know many Belgians but I'd assume they dislike being called French unless i know differently
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On August 17 2012 00:26 EmmeCY wrote:
just went over to liquipedia and saw that Mvp finished his game with PiG. Is it shown on any stream just now?
came here to say the same thing lol ;o
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On August 17 2012 00:27 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong Yea but its not the nationality, otherwise it should be "french speaking friend".
i only heard that he spoke something in french, i thought you complained about the language not about what he said
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I hope Feast 2 base all ins
Macro ZvP on Metropolis is really lame
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On August 17 2012 00:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:23 sVnteen wrote:On August 17 2012 00:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 17 2012 00:19 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 23:52 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:45 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:44 Orek wrote:On August 16 2012 23:43 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:41 Orek wrote:
If even pro Zergs don't micro, then Raven works. Why bother thinking about 10 years from now when Zerg starts microing and theorycraft that Raven is bad? Just use them and win. Zerg can split? Sure, as if you cannot split raven... Pro Zergs eventually learnt to micro against Vortex Archons, even if they still painfully fail at times. Why wouldn't the same thing occur for Ravens? Not to mention that getting a Raven fleet is way harder than building a Mothership. Let's complain when that finally happens. Actually it already happens when the Zerg player does not go into Zombie mode. well protoss players back then said " zerg can just micro and one day mothership vortex will be useless and pvz will be so imba *cry*cry*" now terrans say "zergs might eventually be THAT good at spreading their air units that HSM won't be careful anymore" and what did protosses do? they continued using vortexes and it still worked even if they didnt kill 100% of the broods anymore terrans just need to do it so they at least force the zerg to micro and it will still be impossible to minimize the splash enough that HSM would be useless did you ever try to micro corrupters and broodlords I tried that back when i still played terran and wondered why zergs always mess up their BL/corruptor spread vs vortex so badly it's fricking impossible to spread them ans still have them attack at the same time It's not a problem to spread them and have them sit idle in the back but that is not what you want to happen either Protoss keep resorting to Vortex it because it is pretty much the only potential way to beat a good Inf/BL player in an engagement. The other is mass upgraded air which is even tougher to pull off. The only other reliable way I've seen lategame PvZ be played is HerO's warp prism play, which incidentally I'd love to see a bit more, not sure why other people don't exploit the immobility of the composition more a la Terrans. what the hell dude mothership is very reliable or people woudln't use it so are HSM's: they will always do damage or at least force the zerg to spread out very very very well which will make the air army very easy for vikings to kill I don't get what your problem is What problem? I don't like how it functions, I didn't ever say it can't work, or can't regularly work, but I just don't like throwing all my eggs in one basket, especially if it relies on my opponent making an error to actually work. it doesnt rely on an error Yes it does. It relies on Zergs not blocking your Ravens with Fungals. This + splitting means that HSM are not guaranteed to land at all.
Don't worry. Zergs are bad. At least, they are today. Splitting means you can split raven as well, right? It takes 4 fungals to kill a raven, so 12 infestors can kill only 6 ravens right? Because you can split? Then you still have vikings because 24 fungals are wasted vs ravens? Please...ideal situation doesn't happen that often...for both sides to be fair.
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On August 17 2012 00:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:23 sVnteen wrote:On August 17 2012 00:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 17 2012 00:19 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:55 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 16 2012 23:52 sVnteen wrote:On August 16 2012 23:45 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:44 Orek wrote:On August 16 2012 23:43 TheDwf wrote:On August 16 2012 23:41 Orek wrote:
If even pro Zergs don't micro, then Raven works. Why bother thinking about 10 years from now when Zerg starts microing and theorycraft that Raven is bad? Just use them and win. Zerg can split? Sure, as if you cannot split raven... Pro Zergs eventually learnt to micro against Vortex Archons, even if they still painfully fail at times. Why wouldn't the same thing occur for Ravens? Not to mention that getting a Raven fleet is way harder than building a Mothership. Let's complain when that finally happens. Actually it already happens when the Zerg player does not go into Zombie mode. well protoss players back then said " zerg can just micro and one day mothership vortex will be useless and pvz will be so imba *cry*cry*" now terrans say "zergs might eventually be THAT good at spreading their air units that HSM won't be careful anymore" and what did protosses do? they continued using vortexes and it still worked even if they didnt kill 100% of the broods anymore terrans just need to do it so they at least force the zerg to micro and it will still be impossible to minimize the splash enough that HSM would be useless did you ever try to micro corrupters and broodlords I tried that back when i still played terran and wondered why zergs always mess up their BL/corruptor spread vs vortex so badly it's fricking impossible to spread them ans still have them attack at the same time It's not a problem to spread them and have them sit idle in the back but that is not what you want to happen either Protoss keep resorting to Vortex it because it is pretty much the only potential way to beat a good Inf/BL player in an engagement. The other is mass upgraded air which is even tougher to pull off. The only other reliable way I've seen lategame PvZ be played is HerO's warp prism play, which incidentally I'd love to see a bit more, not sure why other people don't exploit the immobility of the composition more a la Terrans. what the hell dude mothership is very reliable or people woudln't use it so are HSM's: they will always do damage or at least force the zerg to spread out very very very well which will make the air army very easy for vikings to kill I don't get what your problem is What problem? I don't like how it functions, I didn't ever say it can't work, or can't regularly work, but I just don't like throwing all my eggs in one basket, especially if it relies on my opponent making an error to actually work. it doesnt rely on an error Yes it does. It relies on Zergs not blocking your Ravens with Fungals. This + splitting means that HSM are not guaranteed to land at all.
are you kidding me?
at least quote my whole post and reply to all I said lol
just spread out your ravens how about that?
if they get fungaled you can still easily put down a lot of PDD's instead and you will be just fine
if they are forced to spread you can attack them from 1 side and pick them apart slowly from 1 side to the other
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On August 17 2012 00:28 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:26 iglocska wrote:On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong Ask Austrians about being called German. Same thing. Edit: The_Unseen is too fast Honestly, I don't know many Belgians but I'd assume they dislike being called French unless i know differently The Flemish dislike it for sure
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On August 17 2012 00:28 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 00:26 iglocska wrote:On August 17 2012 00:22 Gubbernecco wrote:On August 17 2012 00:21 Eshra wrote:
" Mon ami français "... Feast is from Belgium. french is an official language in belgium, so its not that wrong Ask Austrians about being called German. Same thing. Edit: The_Unseen is too fast Considering that those slimy Germans stole our anthem it might be worse Honestly, I don't know many Belgians but I'd assume they dislike being called French unless i know differently
It's silly tbh, there are more dutch speaking people (quite a bit more) in Belgium yet everywhere we are getting generalized as french.
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EPT
