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On August 03 2012 05:47 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! I can't believe you typed that out and still didn't see the problem with your reasoning.
I can't believe you read that post and didn't see the sarcasm.
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On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought!
that wasn't really a debate, more like a troll rampage
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On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought!
You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating.
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On August 03 2012 05:42 Coward wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:38 Musicus wrote:On August 03 2012 05:37 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 03 2012 05:35 HaXXspetten wrote:
German SC2 is so hilarious.
Schabenhöhle is #1 though ^^ Sprössling yo! Isn't it Schößling? What's a Schößling?^^ Brace yourself, wall of German language: + Show Spoiler +
Schössling (Deutsch)
Substantiv, m
Alte Rechtschreibung:
Schößling
Worttrennung:
Schöss·ling, Plural: Schöss·lin·ge
Aussprache:
IPA: [ˈʃœslɪŋ], Plural: [ˈʃœslɪŋə]
Bedeutungen:
[1] länglicher junger Auswuchs am Stamm eines Baumes oder Strauches
Herkunft:
von schossen[1], dieses über Schoss „Schössling“ von schießen[2]
Synonyme:
[1] Trieb, Spross
Beispiele:
[1] Jedes Frühjahr sollte man die Schösslinge abschneiden.
Übersetzungen
Englisch: [1] shoot
Französisch: [1] rejeton
I feel like complaining about our stupid language with so many useless words (let's not even start with the grammar), but actually it's kinda cool that we have so many ways to express ourselves  .
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On August 03 2012 05:48 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought! You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating.
I'm feeling targeted
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On August 03 2012 05:48 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought! You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating.
Not every thread can be a TSL4 LR thread. Its rapidly become my favourite part of that tournament.
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On August 03 2012 05:49 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:48 Kevan wrote:On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought! You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating. I'm feeling targeted
Because you have sex with dead people, or because you are a dead person?
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Wait, this thread distracted me, what happened to the Colossus timing? =/
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On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins
Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range.
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On August 03 2012 05:36 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:32 revel8 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
Round Robin stages is obviously much fairer system. Everyone plays everyone else. Order of Group is dictated by the results of these games. GSL Code S is not made up of 32 players who have equal chances of winning it. Some players are more likely than others. It seems pretty silly to pretend that there is no such thing as a lucky draw, especially when players can be less strong in a particular match up. Maybe you should assemble a 32 man round robin stage and see how that works out. Or do you not understand the point of a tournament format? Every single football league in Europe operates under the same principle of a large round robin group of 20 or so teams. They call it a Division in the League. It is widely recognised to be the fairest system to determine the strongest and most consistent team during that season. Cup Tournaments involving teams randomly drawn against each other are recognised to have an element in luck involved as opponents can differ in strength. Not sure why this is even debateable. Round Robin Groups of 4 with Top 2 advancing is a fairer system than GSL because a player in a GSL group can advance more easily if their opponent happened to be less formidable due to the luck of the draw. It is nonsensical to suggest otherwise. It is debatable as round-robin system leaves teams/players with matches to play without any hope to advance. The end result is a lot of 'cannot-be-bothered' performances and in extreme cases outright match-fixing. No system is ideal.
I didn't say it was ideal. I said it was fairer.
GSL could quite easily have 8 Round Robin Groups of 4 players. Top 2 qualify. Then they can have more Groups of 4 or go into a straight KO format.
The so called meaningless matches can be rendered meaningful by having financial incentives to wins/placing or ranking in the group.
Under current GSL you have someone like Supernova advancing without having to play the strongest player in the Group, MC even once, whereas Ganzi got eliminated after having to face MC twice! It's massively flawed.
Anyway, I've said my piece on this issue, and will stop now.
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On August 03 2012 05:50 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range.
I feel this was more of an issue when the Ghost EMP radius was bigger. But yeah the point really is that, although Terran unit control is harder, there's a lot more you can do to gain advantages with the race
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On August 03 2012 05:50 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:49 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:48 Kevan wrote:On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought! You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating. I'm feeling targeted Because you have sex with dead people, or because you are a dead person?
How can you kill that which has no life?
+ Show Spoiler +Just joking. I'm sure you are a very cool and handsome person IRL.
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On August 03 2012 05:50 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range.
If the protoss micro's his HT well, the ghost will never be able to snipe / emp them.
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On August 03 2012 05:52 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:50 -_- wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range. I feel this was more of an issue when the Ghost EMP radius was bigger. But yeah the point really is that, although Terran unit control is harder, there's a lot more you can do to gain advantages with the race
I agree, and in a bad protoss micro vs bad terran micro game, P wins big. Even in a pretty good micro battle, a P a move can win. But when T micros perfectly (Taeja, Puma, MKP) I just can't watch without being frustrated.
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On August 03 2012 05:52 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:36 pmp10 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:32 revel8 wrote:On August 03 2012 05:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 05:23 revel8 wrote:
Round Robin stages is obviously much fairer system. Everyone plays everyone else. Order of Group is dictated by the results of these games. GSL Code S is not made up of 32 players who have equal chances of winning it. Some players are more likely than others. It seems pretty silly to pretend that there is no such thing as a lucky draw, especially when players can be less strong in a particular match up. Maybe you should assemble a 32 man round robin stage and see how that works out. Or do you not understand the point of a tournament format? Every single football league in Europe operates under the same principle of a large round robin group of 20 or so teams. They call it a Division in the League. It is widely recognised to be the fairest system to determine the strongest and most consistent team during that season. Cup Tournaments involving teams randomly drawn against each other are recognised to have an element in luck involved as opponents can differ in strength. Not sure why this is even debateable. Round Robin Groups of 4 with Top 2 advancing is a fairer system than GSL because a player in a GSL group can advance more easily if their opponent happened to be less formidable due to the luck of the draw. It is nonsensical to suggest otherwise. It is debatable as round-robin system leaves teams/players with matches to play without any hope to advance. The end result is a lot of 'cannot-be-bothered' performances and in extreme cases outright match-fixing. No system is ideal. I didn't say it was ideal. I said it was fairer. GSL could quite easily have 8 Round Robin Groups of 4 players. Top 2 qualify. Then they can have more Groups of 4 or go into a straight KO format. The so called meaningless matches can be rendered meaningful by having financial incentives to wins/placing or ranking in the group. Under current GSL you have someone like Supernova advancing without having to play the strongest player in the Group, MC even once, whereas Ganzi got eliminated after having to face MC twice! It's massively flawed. Anyway, I've said my piece on this issue, and will stop now.
Fairness is not the point of a tournament format.
*said for the 100th time*
Furthermore your hypothetical situation isn't fair anyway. If Coca got stuck with Nestea and Dongraegu, his advancement depends on the strength of a single matchup (his weakest to boot). Why shouldn't he have the right to face everybody in order to prove himself worthy of advancement?
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Jesus christ, you dont have to ask questions every second of the game =)
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i like the background music.
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On August 03 2012 05:53 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:52 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2012 05:50 -_- wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range. I feel this was more of an issue when the Ghost EMP radius was bigger. But yeah the point really is that, although Terran unit control is harder, there's a lot more you can do to gain advantages with the race I agree, and in a bad protoss micro vs bad terran micro game, P wins big. Even in a pretty good micro battle, a P a move can win. But when T micros perfectly (Taeja, Puma, MKP) I just can't watch without being frustrated.
Terrans can micro as perfectly as they want, if you micro your HT's (= keep them in the back of your army, spreaded out), then there is no micro that can save the terran imo.
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