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On August 03 2012 05:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:18 TheBanana wrote:On August 03 2012 05:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 05:05 TheBanana wrote:On August 03 2012 05:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 03 2012 04:59 Sepi wrote:On August 03 2012 04:56 dragonborn wrote:On August 03 2012 04:54 Sepi wrote:
I dont get this format. According to TLDB, Satiini has beaten MANA once. Now he has to do it again whit no advantage given. And he had to face forGG, which can be said that is the better player out of johnyrecco, which mana faced.
Why isn't he given any advantage over his opponent? This is the most stupid bracket system im seen so far. Satiini vs MaNa 3-2 ForGG vs jonnyrecco 3-2 ForGG vs Satiini 3-1 - Winners final, forGG advances MaNa vs Jonnyrecco 3-0 - jonnyrecco out MaNa vs Satiini - Losers final, winners advance. I know the GSL/winners format. But i think its stupid to copy it over to these tournaments aswell. Basically Mana gets free chance to beat his opponent again... Well.. its not up to me or us to decide, but i don't see the point of copying the format of overseas. You do realize how much worse round robin is, right? I don't, the GSL-groups has the most unfair system for a group stage I can think of. You need 2 wins, but if you have 1 amazing player, 1 horrible player and 2 mediocre players, one of the mediocre players gets a "free win" while the other gets a "sure loss". If the mediocre players play 1-1 the one with the free win advances. I don't see how round of robin is worse than that. At the highest levels of gameplay, your initial assumption is a logical fallacy. Everybody can beat everybody on any given day; there are no easy wins. Even Suhosin was on the brink of defeating Mvp in group stages just because he chose the right strategies. The round robin format has multiple instances where it would be advantageous to lose a game, or there is no incentive to win one. In winners' format you always want to win every series. So you deny the obvious disadvantage the GSL-system has by pretending the opponents skill level doesn't matter. Yeah, I'll take you seriously for sure. In the GSL skill level is at best indiscernible in a Bo3 series. It can easily distinguished over the course of a Bo100. Maybe if you organized a pros vs scrubs tournament this would be a relevant concern. Your whining about skill level is irrelevant since there will always be disparities in skill level in every single group. The goal of a tournament format is not to create the most even groups, but to provide the greatest incentive to win every single game played. Round robin has been proven to not be this format multiple times in the past. P.S. Assembly results have already contradicted your baseless whine about skill level.
That's just not true. It's very discernible based on player form, maps and matchups, just because you can't distinguish it yourself doesn't mean there isn't a clear difference. There can even be a huge disparity in the same player in back to back tournaments.
There are clear differences, if there wasn't they might as well flip a coin for the championship.
And then I read the first sentence of the second paragraph and you're contradicting yourself, please decide on a stance before you post. Is it Indicsernable or are there disparities?
The goal of a tournament is to decide who is the best, based on the rules set by the tournament.
Round robin has flaws as well, obviously, but at least you get a chance to play everyone in your group. The incentive to win only comes into play in certain scenarios in round robin, with the GSL-system, the systems problem comes into play more often.
Your ps tells me that you have a simple mind unable of complex thinking.
Absolutes is your crutch.
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On August 03 2012 05:50 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins Haha. I wanted to be careful not to whine about balance. To state it more clearly, I believe that a Terran who can control Ghosts and Viking unbelievably can completely neuter a Protoss without the Protoss being able to do anything. This is because of snipe range, viking range, and emp range.
Oh, it seemed you suggested the protoss should have a micro up to par with the terran player to win, which would've been preposterous.
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wow puma, so good control....
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sorry if this has been stated already as I don't want to read all 190 pages but are there VoDs available? much thanks!
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And ppl say p is favored lategame vs t ...
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I'm not sure how you can lose with such a big upgrade advantage
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Why the hell doesnt sase just make 3+ observers to have with his army? This is just silly. Losing because of no observers.
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FUCK YEAH! Sase out, Puma in! Really sick day for EG. All but HuK go through!
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DAT LITTLE SWEDISH THING JUST GOT ATE!!!!!
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
woooh GJ Puma, he at least seems to have regained his late game TvP mojo.
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On August 03 2012 05:57 obesemk wrote:
Why the hell doesnt sase just make 3+ observers to have with his army? This is just silly. Losing because of no observers.
Because he wants colossus too, not just observers
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On August 03 2012 05:52 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 05:50 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:49 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:48 Kevan wrote:On August 03 2012 05:47 Hassybaby wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:45 MCDayC wrote:On August 03 2012 05:44 HaXXspetten wrote:On August 03 2012 05:43 -_- wrote:
Puma, like Taeja frustrates me as a Protoss player with his precise Viking and Ghost control. When you control those two units perfectly as a Terran, if Protoss doesn't counter with equal Micro, he'll end up with no energy Templar and a bunch of dead colossus before the battle even starts.
Cheese him out Sase! tl;dr if the terran outplays the protoss he wins That always frustrates me yeah. well... that was a good debate We're not quite at the potato salad/sex coma stage yet. Soon thought! You forgot the necrophilia. Damn discriminating. I'm feeling targeted Because you have sex with dead people, or because you are a dead person? Just joking. I'm sure you are a very cool and handsome person IRL.
are you flirting with me?
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On August 03 2012 05:58 Falconblade wrote:
FUCK YEAH! Sase out, Puma in! Really sick day for EG. All but HuK go through!
Huk sacrificed himself to the sc2 gods to lessen the EG curse and give his brethren a chance at the win
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Commentators in this game sort of annoying...
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Northern Ireland27477 Posts
Argh, wanted SaSe to win but wp Puma. Also hope Puma can show the solid play he's capable of more often
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cloaked ghosts with no detection are pretty good at killing everything
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On August 03 2012 05:57 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I'm not sure how you can lose with such a big upgrade advantage
I'm not sure how you can lose when you have 10+ ghosts. EMP on all of toss forces is inevitable.
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EPT
