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On July 30 2012 04:26 TheBrofessor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:22 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2012 04:19 TheSwamp wrote:On July 30 2012 04:17 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2012 04:15 lannisport wrote:On July 30 2012 04:05 Zealously wrote:On July 30 2012 04:03 Day[9] wrote:
Things seem really really unstable in PvZ right now. Protosses opening gateway first and zergs doing non-roachy focused things during lair tech. Seems like everyone from both sides are being pulled in all sorts of crazy directions! I agree. No one knows for sure what to do and the Zergs seem to get the better end of it. Tell that to Seed Creator and Oz. They have good results, and also lose to players they should theoretically beat, don't really get what your point is? Every player from every race loses to people they should beat. Your point? Oh I thought you were holding up Seed/Creator/Oz as consistent PvZ specialists, whereas they are all a bit inconsistent in the matchup. There are few genuine Protoss PvZ monsters these days, a la Stephano's vP, but equally most top Protoss can beat top Zergs on their day. There's noone who's really consistent in the matchup, Stephano can go from dismantling Hero to dropping 0-2 to Oz in the same day. This cycle happens every PvZ, either the Protoss does some strong attacks that everyone says "wow don't know how Zerg is supposed to hold that, dumb matchup". Or the zerg wins and people say "wow I dont think protoss can deal with that, dumb matchup".
But by that measurement, no one is consistent in any match up. There is a lot of variance in SC2, I'm not convinced it is any worse in PvZ than in other match-ups.
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On July 30 2012 04:25 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:23 Chytilova wrote:On July 30 2012 04:20 Sajiki wrote:On July 30 2012 04:18 Porcelina wrote:
Why is there so so so much balance whine in this thread? tt. quoted so EVERYONE can see it.. I think we should just conclude that Starcraft 2 is a boring game to watch and nearly every matchup is incredibly imbalanced. Anyone with me? Yes! Let's lobby Blizzard to add a fourth race. All space sharks decked out with various lasers, black holes, and guns that shoot bees.
Lasers... sounds like protoss. Black holes... sounds like mothership. Bees... sounds like carrier.
You're suggesting they change all protoss models into sharks?
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I really wish mapmakers will stop putting those overlord hiding spots all over their maps. It's gotten a bit ridiculous.
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Maybe its been mentioned, by why do they play on the same map twice in a Bo5?
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Northern Ireland25333 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:24 GuardianEU wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:19 garlicface wrote:On July 30 2012 04:17 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
This matchup truly is stupid.. it's either a 2 base all in, or an attack before broodlords Most uninteresting match-up atm. It's always been unstable, but the no-rush games these days are just making it agonizing. well... you can do soemthing about the no-rush part...  zerg has a very effective economical 7 pool vs forge expands and is decently even against gateway first expands. while protoss has some great timings vs the standard roach warren build timing zergs use. if you go gateway> nexus> core> forge and chronoboost the upgrades decently well, you can attack a zerg at 7:10 with 6-7 +1 zealots, while getting +2 and blink. it even stops a 6pool. there's a lot of timings that neither zerg nor protoss have bothered to figure out, which can be quite strong. that +1 zealot timing is almost a 100% third kill if the zerg's playing the standard, while the economical 7pool can force any forge fast expand to be turned into a 2-3 gateway expand.
Those kinds of builds are pretty map specific to get the timings really crisp though, especially pressure builds that require building units from your gates instead of relying on warpins
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Someone really likes fiddling with their mic :D
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On July 30 2012 04:27 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Games today look really boring, I'm not liking the qualification system for TSL, maybe I'll just wait until Ro16 to watch.
I have no idea how this could be tied to the qualifying system. If you're not looking forward to Naniwa playing then I don't know how you can watch Starcraft at all.
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On July 30 2012 04:29 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:25 TheSwamp wrote:On July 30 2012 04:23 Chytilova wrote:On July 30 2012 04:20 Sajiki wrote:On July 30 2012 04:18 Porcelina wrote:
Why is there so so so much balance whine in this thread? tt. quoted so EVERYONE can see it.. I think we should just conclude that Starcraft 2 is a boring game to watch and nearly every matchup is incredibly imbalanced. Anyone with me? Yes! Let's lobby Blizzard to add a fourth race. All space sharks decked out with various lasers, black holes, and guns that shoot bees. Lasers... sounds like protoss. Black holes... sounds like mothership. Bees... sounds like carrier. You're suggesting they change all protoss models into sharks?
I am so fucking in favour of protoss as spacesharks.
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Chill get out 
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Dat joke...oh Chill how i've missed your casting.
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Chill with dat "get out"-pun - Wellplayed son
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Chill you're the best, knowing a thing or two about getting out :D
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cringe worthy joke by Chill :D
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JonnyR is defending really well.
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Haha Chill
"I know a thing or two about getting out" :D
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That was so weird. He knew that there was an overlord watching the movement of his Stalkers. Why would such an attack work? I don't get it, Naniwa usually plays so much better!
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EPT
