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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#641
Would be great if the pros would not spoil the results on twitter, way to kill the hype T____T
Terran & Potato Salad.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#642
On July 30 2012 04:19 Fede wrote:
Please stop talking about Naniwa's upgrades, WE GET IT.

Does Naniwa get it?
© Current year.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#643
On July 30 2012 04:23 trinxified wrote:
So both players have PvZ as their worse matchup, yet JRecco is winning. That means he's better.

No, it means one player is worse at the match-up than the other. It certainly means that one player is better at the match-up, though, if that is what you mean.
AdministratorBreak the chains
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#644
On July 30 2012 04:19 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:17 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
This matchup truly is stupid.. it's either a 2 base all in, or an attack before broodlords

Most uninteresting match-up atm. It's always been unstable, but the no-rush games these days are just making it agonizing.


And yesterday Vortix got flak by some for going "all in", which in this case meant attacking before brood lords. It appears that many want every game to follow the same narrative.
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#645
On July 30 2012 04:19 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:17 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
This matchup truly is stupid.. it's either a 2 base all in, or an attack before broodlords

Most uninteresting match-up atm. It's always been unstable, but the no-rush games these days are just making it agonizing.


well... you can do soemthing about the no-rush part...

zerg has a very effective economical 7 pool vs forge expands and is decently even against gateway first expands. while protoss has some great timings vs the standard roach warren build timing zergs use. if you go gateway> nexus> core> forge and chronoboost the upgrades decently well, you can attack a zerg at 7:10 with 6-7 +1 zealots, while getting +2 and blink. it even stops a 6pool.

there's a lot of timings that neither zerg nor protoss have bothered to figure out, which can be quite strong. that +1 zealot timing is almost a 100% third kill if the zerg's playing the standard, while the economical 7pool can force any forge fast expand to be turned into a 2-3 gateway expand.
Standard.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 19:24:53
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#646
On July 30 2012 04:21 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:20 oogieogie wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:17 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
This matchup truly is stupid.. it's either a 2 base all in, or an attack before broodlords

or zerg gets 17 broodlords vortex'd and they get obliterated by archons.

or more commonly not, and the toss helplessly dies

I see it happen a lot more then it doesn't when it gets to that lategame. More commonly not the game doesn't happen to get to lategame.
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#647
Not sure if this is the place to say/ask, but does the video intro lag/not even play for anybody else?

All day yesterday and today they comment on how cool it is, but the stream simply freezes then they are in the game...
hihi glgl
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#648
When were these games played?
"more gg, more skill"
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#649
On July 30 2012 04:23 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:19 Fede wrote:
Please stop talking about Naniwa's upgrades, WE GET IT.

Does Naniwa get it?


I know Sundance does..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#650
On July 30 2012 04:23 babybell wrote:
I can only listen to Artosis and Incontrol as casters...


That's kinda odd because Artosis and Incontrol are like complete opposites in casting style :o
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#651
On July 30 2012 04:23 trinxified wrote:
So both players have PvZ as their worse matchup, yet JRecco is winning. That means he's better.

Please tell me you are joking
d=(^_^)z
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26462 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#652
On July 30 2012 04:21 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:19 travis wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:18 Psychobabas wrote:
As a Terran, can someone please explain to me one thing about PvZ.

Does the protoss have to hit before broodlords to stand a chance. It looks like a real mess to me.


i've seen protosses play a defensive late game style where they aim for mothership/templar/archon/blink stalker/carrier etc composition, and just play insanely defensive forever trying to lose less money in units than the zerg and then eventually win a big fight with their 200/200 and kill the zerg. or starve the zerg.


and sometimes you get protosses play like Hero and harass with speed-prims all over the map and abuse the immobility of broods. thats always super fun to watch.

I love Hero's style that he kind of popularised with JYP but I really haven't seen much of that style in a very long while. Not sure if it's Zergs being more efficient in their builds or if the new maps aren't as conducive to that style. Last one where lategame Warp Prisms played a big part than I can recall was when Ace made it back to Code S for this season. Sick game

If more games were like that, PvZ would actually be good
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fiend13
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany140 Posts
July 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#653
On July 30 2012 04:22 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:20 m0ck wrote:
The whining. It's everywhere..!


Do you disagree with it? Basically everyone is saying that the match-up is either boring or unstable, or both.


I really don't see how can judge a matchup on a single match that on top was played very far from perfect by both players so far.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#654
On July 30 2012 04:22 Picklebread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:21 las91 wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:18 Psychobabas wrote:
As a Terran, can someone please explain to me one thing about PvZ.

Does the protoss have to hit before broodlords to stand a chance. It looks like a real mess to me.


There are some 2 base timing windows and the 3 base timing window you just saw to kill a zerg teching to brood lords. After that it turns into a massive turtle fest with motherships/recalls/vortexes (my personal favorite is bum-rushing bases with my mothership at home and just recalling when Z tries to counter).

Sounds like a pretty lame matchup


I hate it almost as much as PvP, which is part of the reason I've stopped playing for the most part. I play on NA, and I don't get very many PvTs... (Which I think is the most dynamic matchup with P in it)
In Inca we trust
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#655
On July 30 2012 04:23 OneOther wrote:
I love chill and apollo. Greatest duo.

Apollo seems to have good synergy with everyone, he's been excellent casting with so many people.
Glorious SEA doto
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#656
On July 30 2012 04:24 ravemir wrote:
When were these games played?

I think they're being played, like now?
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#657
PvZ does not have to be boring though, it's that Naniwa plays a very timing-oriented style which either works or doesn't. (i.e. a lot of his attacks are more all-in) Someone like Squirtle has a lot of strong late-game warpgate harassment and that sort of thing, which is hard to deal with for any zerg that's inexperienced with it.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#658
On July 30 2012 04:24 trGKakarot wrote:
Not sure if this is the place to say/ask, but does the video intro lag/not even play for anybody else?

All day yesterday and today they comment on how cool it is, but the stream simply freezes then they are in the game...


I get it just fine.

The only thing that actually lags out for me are the ads, could be worse I guess!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#659
Nexus first into forge. Good that NaNiwa tried something else...
EZ4ENCE
m4thje
Profile Joined December 2010
208 Posts
July 29 2012 19:25 GMT
#660
Am I the only one hearing that *tick, tick* on a microphone?
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