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On July 30 2012 04:03 Day[9] wrote:
Things seem really really unstable in PvZ right now. Protosses opening gateway first and zergs doing non-roachy focused things during lair tech. Seems like everyone from both sides are being pulled in all sorts of crazy directions!
I reckon it;s time for the eco 7pool to shine vs FFE 
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Well first of all naniwa, your opening tvt lol.
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On July 30 2012 04:02 Durp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:01 Day[9] wrote:On July 30 2012 04:00 Killcani wrote:
That bm made me really root for the zerg now gogo 3-0 :D What happened? I have multiple monitors going and must have missed it! "this matchup makes no sense" quits game. Not really BM, more obvious frustration
Your pretty much saying that your opponent is winning because of his race rather then skill.
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On July 30 2012 04:01 Mouzone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote:
Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s). Wasn't Cruncher resolved to go for 2 base all-ins 90% of games though?
No. Cruncher was "famous" for sitting back and maxing with Colossus/void rays/stalkers.
But it was duing the roach/hydra/corruptor era. Cruncher style obviously doesnt work anymore.
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who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada
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Katowice25012 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:01 Mouzone wrote:On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote:
Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s). Wasn't Cruncher resolved to go for 2 base all-ins 90% of games though? IIRC Cruncher was known for getting like 3 bases and sitting back until he had a ton of colossi + void rays + gateway units back before zergs knew how to deal with a protoss deathball leading up to the infestor buff
I miss the days before Zergs knew how to use infestors.
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is this map as bad for pvz as it is for tvz?
Like the ultimate infestor/ling turtle to broods map.
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I really don't understand the people who hate players. Why hate a person you don't even know? Why take joy from his failures? Naniwa is always fun to watch, always creative. It's good for the matchups and good entertainment. That's all I care about.
I really hope Naniwa figures out PvZ and gets rid of his frustration. I really feel like he's defeating himself.
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On July 30 2012 04:02 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:00 Trowa127 wrote:On July 30 2012 03:59 zeratul_jf wrote:
Naniwa so bad. I hope he drops out of the GSL so ppl stop saying he is good because he plays horrible and expects to win. Aha dayum. Naniwa loses two games, ro8 gsl no longer counts. Dat logic! u dont seem to follow naniwa lately, right? i agree that he is good, but his gsl ro8 runs seem to be so overrated as well ~~ he is on code S level, but not consistantly and yet lucky enough to stay in there for 2 seasons. thats how i see it
Yeah its called a run of bad form. It happens in all sports. Polt and Bomber often go through bad patches - does that mean they are horrible and still expect to win?
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On July 30 2012 04:01 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 03:59 TheHova wrote:
PvZ is pretty sad right now tbh, it's just not a good matchup. Hmmm I like it.. I feel PvT is a lot worse and more difficult to enjoy. Nani has always struggled vs Zerg this is not such a masive upset
Against foreigner zergs mainly, which is why it's so baffling. Naniwa has a very good track record against the top zergs in the world - he beats Nestea almost every time, has beaten Leenock, and goes close with DRG. You'd expect if he can beat Nestea so often and take DRG to five games just a week ago, he should be able to handle a typical foreigner Zerg or at least not get completely manhandled.
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On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote:
Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.
Which results in 52% to 48%? Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all. For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined.
I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."
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On July 30 2012 04:04 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 30 2012 04:01 Mouzone wrote:On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote:
Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s). Wasn't Cruncher resolved to go for 2 base all-ins 90% of games though? IIRC Cruncher was known for getting like 3 bases and sitting back until he had a ton of colossi + void rays + gateway units back before zergs knew how to deal with a protoss deathball leading up to the infestor buff I miss the days before Zergs knew how to use infestors.
I miss the days before Protoss knew how to use warp prisms.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 30 2012 04:03 Day[9] wrote:
Things seem really really unstable in PvZ right now. Protosses opening gateway first and zergs doing non-roachy focused things during lair tech. Seems like everyone from both sides are being pulled in all sorts of crazy directions!
I agree. No one knows for sure what to do and the Zergs seem to get the better end of it.
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On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote:
who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada
TL HQ.
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Nexus first with a gateway? Is that even viable 0_0
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Hahaha "code S" my ass, this is why seeds are stupid.
User was warned for this post
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On July 30 2012 04:03 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote:
Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s). That is a pretty good analogy tbh. As someone who has played him countless times.
JRecco seems to know he has pretty good army engagements, he always makes sure he cuts down the retreat path of the enemy army with a sling surround.
Protoss army is a lot more powerful with a stalker barrier at the front and Colossus at the back than on a tight ball shooting in multiple directions because it diminishes Colossus damage and increases enemy surface area. JRecco's very good at engagements, many of those battles could have been lost with bad positioning.
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How can Naniwa go from almost beating DRG, to losing to Jrecco?
Just tilting?
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On July 30 2012 04:00 Day[9] wrote:
Holy crap JohnnyRecco beast moding it!
Hang in there Naniwa! Push it to game 5!
Naniwa ragequitting game2 isn't a good sign of his mental state :/
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I can't talk about PvZ balance, but I can talk as a spectator, and say it's just not a fun matchup to watch.
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