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On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote: Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.
Which results in 52% to 48%? Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all. For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined. I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible." That was yesterday, but we changed it for the remainder of TSL, due to the extreme variance such a limited sample provides.
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On July 30 2012 04:02 FreudianTrip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:00 Derrida wrote: so what happened to late game PvZ with motherships, archons and whatnot? all i've seen for the past couple of days was broodlords into gg. can't keep up with the damn metagame. 12-14 minute hives. There's not enough time to do all the Mothership/Archon nonsense.
archon/mothership is indeed viable.
but the truth is: - if you play turtle and tech for it, zerg will have approx 19 bases in 19 minutes - once u have a nice and maxed archon/mothership, the Z has enough BLs to spread them over 3 screens and keep them under 199 spines and spores with infestor backup
thats why we see either 2 base or 3 base allins. the only way to beat Z otherwise looks to be extremly offensive warpprism play with superior multitasking. But if the Z knows that u go for that, they build 299 spines instead of 199 and well, the above happens again.
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On July 30 2012 04:03 Day[9] wrote: Things seem really really unstable in PvZ right now. Protosses opening gateway first and zergs doing non-roachy focused things during lair tech. Seems like everyone from both sides are being pulled in all sorts of crazy directions!
Probably part of why Nani is showing frustration. Seems like the kind of player that really wants to have meticulous knowledge of a matchup, and doesn't deal quite as well with the chaotic state of things.
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If there is a good map for nani to start a comeback this is it.
edit: late to the party.
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On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote: Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.
Which results in 52% to 48%? Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all. For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined. I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."
No that was for your guys casts yesterday. They've since changed it (or at least changed the wording of the fine print)
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What did naniwa say on twitter before the broadcast starts ? I'm just curious but I can't find anything on his twitter.
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On July 30 2012 04:04 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 30 2012 04:01 Mouzone wrote:On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote: Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s). Wasn't Cruncher resolved to go for 2 base all-ins 90% of games though? IIRC Cruncher was known for getting like 3 bases and sitting back until he had a ton of colossi + void rays + gateway units back before zergs knew how to deal with a protoss deathball leading up to the infestor buff I miss the days before Zergs knew how to use infestors. I miss neural parasite being an actual ability instead of the most situational of sitautional buttons TT
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On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote: Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.
Which results in 52% to 48%? Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all. For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined. I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."
I think that's how they were yesterday, but if I recall looking at them for today it said "2012" as opposed to yesterday where it said "Last 25 Games" I could've read it wrong.
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Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o
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PvZ make nosense since begining imo.
In last year protoss just 2 base allin or zerg do a roachling all in. And few month later it become to broodlord vs archon toilet. And now this?
I have never seen some great PvZ for a long time.
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On July 30 2012 04:01 kaokentake wrote: srsly i dont know why toss just dont 2base immortal allin every game. u got better chances of winning that way. and its pretty sick if you do it where when your immortals die you have 200food of blink stalkers reinforcing against roach/ling
This so much. Zergs are playing greedy as fuck (12 minute hive, seriously?) which leads into protoss not able to win after BLs are out since not enough time for Mothership/Archons etc.
Every single protoss should just 2 base all-in until zergs stop being that greedy...
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On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote: who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada TL HQ.
From NY ?
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On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote: Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.
Which results in 52% to 48%? Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all. For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined. I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."
It's not. I made a spreadsheet with each map and grabbed their foreign and Korean TLPD stats by filtering for Jan 1 2012.
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On July 30 2012 04:06 Tachion wrote: Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o Yes
On July 30 2012 04:07 Subzero245 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote: who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada TL HQ. From NY ? Yes
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On July 30 2012 04:05 Toorgr wrote: Hahaha "code S" my ass, this is why seeds are stupid.
Well his seed for TSL came from his 2nd place at TSL3 rather than his Code S status.
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Yeah PvZ is quite bad MU, unless HerO plays.
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On July 30 2012 04:06 Bagi wrote: How can Naniwa go from almost beating DRG, to losing to Jrecco?
Just tilting?
Players have different styles. Some fit your own style more, some less. That's why some players are prone to losing to rather mediocre players occasionally.
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On July 30 2012 04:05 Toorgr wrote: Hahaha "code S" my ass, this is why seeds are stupid. even if nani loses, that doesn't make seeding stupid.
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On July 30 2012 04:06 Tachion wrote: Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o
Yep that is where he got it from. Awesome film btw. Shame the second and third ones were utter crap.
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On July 30 2012 04:07 Subzero245 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote: who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada TL HQ. From NY ? Hosting involves a lot more than starting the game. Observer and everything else a broadcast requires.
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