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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#481
On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote:
Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.


Which results in 52% to 48%?

Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all.

For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined.


I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."

That was yesterday, but we changed it for the remainder of TSL, due to the extreme variance such a limited sample provides.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#482
On July 30 2012 04:02 FreudianTrip wrote:
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On July 30 2012 04:00 Derrida wrote:
so what happened to late game PvZ with motherships, archons and whatnot? all i've seen for the past couple of days was broodlords into gg. can't keep up with the damn metagame.


12-14 minute hives. There's not enough time to do all the Mothership/Archon nonsense.


archon/mothership is indeed viable.

but the truth is:
- if you play turtle and tech for it, zerg will have approx 19 bases in 19 minutes
- once u have a nice and maxed archon/mothership, the Z has enough BLs to spread them over 3 screens and keep them under 199 spines and spores with infestor backup

thats why we see either 2 base or 3 base allins. the only way to beat Z otherwise looks to be extremly offensive warpprism play with superior multitasking. But if the Z knows that u go for that, they build 299 spines instead of 199 and well, the above happens again.
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#483
On July 30 2012 04:03 Day[9] wrote:
Things seem really really unstable in PvZ right now. Protosses opening gateway first and zergs doing non-roachy focused things during lair tech. Seems like everyone from both sides are being pulled in all sorts of crazy directions!


Probably part of why Nani is showing frustration. Seems like the kind of player that really wants to have meticulous knowledge of a matchup, and doesn't deal quite as well with the chaotic state of things.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 19:08:29
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#484
If there is a good map for nani to start a comeback this is it.

edit: late to the party.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#485
On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote:
Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.


Which results in 52% to 48%?

Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all.

For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined.


I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."


No that was for your guys casts yesterday. They've since changed it (or at least changed the wording of the fine print)
MekTypro
Profile Joined July 2010
France360 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#486
What did naniwa say on twitter before the broadcast starts ? I'm just curious but I can't find anything on his twitter.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#487
On July 30 2012 04:04 heyoka wrote:
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On July 30 2012 04:03 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:01 Mouzone wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:00 Duoma wrote:
Jrecco kind of feels like the Cruncher of zerg(without the atrocious personality). He just sits back and does nothing until he has an invincible army. Seems to be working for him so far! WP to him. Hope Nani doesnt lose units so carelessly next game(s).


Wasn't Cruncher resolved to go for 2 base all-ins 90% of games though?

IIRC Cruncher was known for getting like 3 bases and sitting back until he had a ton of colossi + void rays + gateway units back before zergs knew how to deal with a protoss deathball leading up to the infestor buff


I miss the days before Zergs knew how to use infestors.

I miss neural parasite being an actual ability instead of the most situational of sitautional buttons TT
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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#488
On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote:
Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.


Which results in 52% to 48%?

Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all.

For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined.


I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."


I think that's how they were yesterday, but if I recall looking at them for today it said "2012" as opposed to yesterday where it said "Last 25 Games" I could've read it wrong.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#489
Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
tomwizz
Profile Joined October 2010
524 Posts
July 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#490
PvZ make nosense since begining imo.

In last year protoss just 2 base allin or zerg do a roachling all in.
And few month later it become to broodlord vs archon toilet.
And now this?

I have never seen some great PvZ for a long time.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
July 29 2012 19:07 GMT
#491
On July 30 2012 04:01 kaokentake wrote:
srsly i dont know why toss just dont 2base immortal allin every game. u got better chances of winning that way. and its pretty sick if you do it where when your immortals die you have 200food of blink stalkers reinforcing against roach/ling


This so much. Zergs are playing greedy as fuck (12 minute hive, seriously?) which leads into protoss not able to win after BLs are out since not enough time for Mothership/Archons etc.

Every single protoss should just 2 base all-in until zergs stop being that greedy...
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Subzero245
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway46 Posts
July 29 2012 19:07 GMT
#492
On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote:
who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada

TL HQ.


From NY ?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 29 2012 19:07 GMT
#493
On July 30 2012 04:05 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:46 Wroshe wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:44 FliedLice wrote:
On July 30 2012 03:42 IronManSC wrote:
Where the heck are these map stats coming from? Ohana stats make no sense to me. It shows 52-48, yet in Korea it's 53-60 and overall it's 111-121.


Which results in 52% to 48%?

Then it would be 48 to 52; this makes no sense at all.

For relevance we're using TLPD stats from 2012 so that may be it. Both databases combined.


I'm 80% sure it's the last X games for all stats: last 25 games in each matchup and last 100 games on the maps. That way, things are "as current/relevant as possible."


It's not. I made a spreadsheet with each map and grabbed their foreign and Korean TLPD stats by filtering for Jan 1 2012.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
July 29 2012 19:07 GMT
#494
On July 30 2012 04:06 Tachion wrote:
Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o

Yes

On July 30 2012 04:07 Subzero245 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote:
who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada

TL HQ.


From NY ?

Yes
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 29 2012 19:07 GMT
#495
On July 30 2012 04:05 Toorgr wrote:
Hahaha "code S" my ass, this is why seeds are stupid.


Well his seed for TSL came from his 2nd place at TSL3 rather than his Code S status.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
July 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#496
Yeah PvZ is quite bad MU, unless HerO plays.
WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
July 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#497
On July 30 2012 04:06 Bagi wrote:
How can Naniwa go from almost beating DRG, to losing to Jrecco?

Just tilting?


Players have different styles. Some fit your own style more, some less. That's why some players are prone to losing to rather mediocre players occasionally.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
July 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#498
On July 30 2012 04:05 Toorgr wrote:
Hahaha "code S" my ass, this is why seeds are stupid.

even if nani loses, that doesn't make seeding stupid.
d=(^_^)z
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 19:08:31
July 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#499
On July 30 2012 04:06 Tachion wrote:
Is Jonnyrecco supposed to be a play on Johnny Rico? Prob not since the kid is prob too young to know starship troopers ;o


Yep that is where he got it from. Awesome film btw. Shame the second and third ones were utter crap.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 29 2012 19:08 GMT
#500
On July 30 2012 04:07 Subzero245 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 04:05 FreudianTrip wrote:
On July 30 2012 04:04 Subzero245 wrote:
who hosting this apollo or chill? if not apollo why not? sweden got better interwebs than canada

TL HQ.


From NY ?

Hosting involves a lot more than starting the game. Observer and everything else a broadcast requires.
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