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On July 23 2012 03:52 Prugelhugel wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Apollo and Artosis should tighten their ties? 
Hahahaha good call, as they just talked about that.
Apollo needs to tuck his collar underneath his jacket too.
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On July 23 2012 03:53 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:50 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:43 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?! extended series This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules. Eh? Alicia started up 2-1, It's extended series. Alicia came from the upper bracket, Oz from the lower bracket so Alicia gets an advantage This is actually not as good for Alicia as a normal double elim format would be, Oz would have to win 4 games and Alicia would have to win two, while Oz has to win 3 in this scenario. On July 23 2012 03:41 OtoshimonoU wrote:On July 23 2012 03:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 OtoshimonoU wrote:
How about we get rid of double elimination? People like exciting loser's bracket runs like Squirtle at IPL4 and First is doing a good job gaining fans right now Then they should stop complaining about extended series... You can't have both. Wow I wonder how every other tournament in existence that uses Double Elimination survives without extended series then. Actually I'm pretty sure Oz has to win this Bo7 from behind due to extended series, then win another series (whether Bo3, 5 or 7 I don't know) due to double elim. People shouldn't stop complaining about Extended series imo, mindless whining is of course dumb, but its such a silly, unfun and kinda unfair way to run the tournament that people should still be letting MLG know that they don't want it. Oz has to win the bo7 being down in extended series then win another series? lol 96.5% sure. Otherwise there would be no advantage of winning the winners finals, it would just be like a conventional meeting between two players who have played previously, I think the casters got it wrong. If its not its actually even more stupid, because then not having an extended series would actually be an advantage going into the double elim bracket grand finals. T_T Seriously? That's just stupid... poor Oz. Then again I like Alicia more so meh. Hoping Taeja/First will be more exciting though, Oz has rolled Alicia pretty convincingly these first two games.
You might say its really unfair to Alicia.
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On July 23 2012 03:51 Zalitara wrote:
Why are Artosis and Apollo talking like it's over after this next game if Oz wins? It would seem rather weird if Alica doesn't go down to the losers bracket and get's another shot even if he loses this next game.
There is no more lb t this stage of the tournament.
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On July 23 2012 03:53 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:52 Broodwurst wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods? Zergs have broodlords to deal with broodlords, T or P does not. Broodlord vs Broodlord must be an interesting fight. It's absolutely hilarious to watch.
It happened once that I can remember. I believe it was Sheth vs Morrow(morrow played zerg in this case obviously) mined out crossfire max zerg vs max zerg and it was just brood lords sending out more broodlings to fight the other broodlings over and over
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On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods?
That would only be fair if everyone played every race. Only then the game is fair.
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On July 23 2012 03:52 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:50 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods? Zergs have broodlords to deal with broodlords, T or P does not. Who cares about specific circumstances and whether a race is disadvantaged? Apparently that doesn't apply to fairness, only that the units are the same for everyone.
The units are not the same for everyone, since different races have different units. I don't think you understand the underlying concept.
edit: Except for mirrors of course!
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On July 23 2012 03:54 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:53 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:52 Broodwurst wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods? Zergs have broodlords to deal with broodlords, T or P does not. Broodlord vs Broodlord must be an interesting fight. It's absolutely hilarious to watch. It's up there with Resto Druid vs Resto Druid.
At least they added draws
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On July 23 2012 03:54 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:53 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:43 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
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extended series This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules. Eh? Alicia started up 2-1, It's extended series. Alicia came from the upper bracket, Oz from the lower bracket so Alicia gets an advantage This is actually not as good for Alicia as a normal double elim format would be, Oz would have to win 4 games and Alicia would have to win two, while Oz has to win 3 in this scenario. On July 23 2012 03:41 OtoshimonoU wrote:On July 23 2012 03:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 OtoshimonoU wrote:
How about we get rid of double elimination? People like exciting loser's bracket runs like Squirtle at IPL4 and First is doing a good job gaining fans right now Then they should stop complaining about extended series... You can't have both. Wow I wonder how every other tournament in existence that uses Double Elimination survives without extended series then. Actually I'm pretty sure Oz has to win this Bo7 from behind due to extended series, then win another series (whether Bo3, 5 or 7 I don't know) due to double elim. People shouldn't stop complaining about Extended series imo, mindless whining is of course dumb, but its such a silly, unfun and kinda unfair way to run the tournament that people should still be letting MLG know that they don't want it. Oz has to win the bo7 being down in extended series then win another series? lol 96.5% sure. Otherwise there would be no advantage of winning the winners finals, it would just be like a conventional meeting between two players who have played previously, I think the casters got it wrong. If its not its actually even more stupid, because then not having an extended series would actually be an advantage going into the double elim bracket grand finals. T_T Seriously? That's just stupid... poor Oz. Then again I like Alicia more so meh. Hoping Taeja/First will be more exciting though, Oz has rolled Alicia pretty convincingly these first two games. You might say its really unfair to Alicia.
No, because the rules were sit prior to the tournament. The positions could've just been as easily flipped.
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On July 23 2012 03:54 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:52 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods? Zergs have broodlords to deal with broodlords, T or P does not. Who cares about specific circumstances and whether a race is disadvantaged? Apparently that doesn't apply to fairness, only that the units are the same for everyone. The units are not the same for everyone, since different races have different units. I don't think you understand the underlying concept.
I don't think you understand that my argument is retarded, because the logic I'm parroting is silly.
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Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly 
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On July 23 2012 03:53 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:50 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 MCDayC wrote:On July 23 2012 03:43 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:36 Dodgin wrote:On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?! extended series This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules. Eh? Alicia started up 2-1, It's extended series. Alicia came from the upper bracket, Oz from the lower bracket so Alicia gets an advantage This is actually not as good for Alicia as a normal double elim format would be, Oz would have to win 4 games and Alicia would have to win two, while Oz has to win 3 in this scenario. On July 23 2012 03:41 OtoshimonoU wrote:On July 23 2012 03:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 23 2012 03:38 OtoshimonoU wrote:
How about we get rid of double elimination? People like exciting loser's bracket runs like Squirtle at IPL4 and First is doing a good job gaining fans right now Then they should stop complaining about extended series... You can't have both. Wow I wonder how every other tournament in existence that uses Double Elimination survives without extended series then. Actually I'm pretty sure Oz has to win this Bo7 from behind due to extended series, then win another series (whether Bo3, 5 or 7 I don't know) due to double elim. People shouldn't stop complaining about Extended series imo, mindless whining is of course dumb, but its such a silly, unfun and kinda unfair way to run the tournament that people should still be letting MLG know that they don't want it. Oz has to win the bo7 being down in extended series then win another series? lol 96.5% sure. Otherwise there would be no advantage of winning the winners finals, it would just be like a conventional meeting between two players who have played previously, I think the casters got it wrong. If its not its actually even more stupid, because then not having an extended series would actually be an advantage going into the double elim bracket grand finals. T_T Seriously? That's just stupid... poor Oz. Then again I like Alicia more so meh. Hoping Taeja/First will be more exciting though, Oz has rolled Alicia pretty convincingly these first two games.
i dunno, I'm starting to doubt myself. Either way, either they make it impossibly difficult for Oz to win, by having to win a Bo7 from behind, or don't give enough of an advantage to Alicia by having him start only 1 game ahead.
This is why Extended series is so bad, let alone the other stuff that happens during the bracket, it ruins the finals as shown by the above.
MLG knows this, thats why they have 2 double elim brackets to avoid this. Its just a gimmick way of avoiding the problem, rather than just outright getting rid of extended series.
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On July 23 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly
He's out
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On July 23 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly
oh god...
who wants to break the news
TT
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On July 23 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly
When he attends another tournament. He is out.
edit: triple ninja'd.
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On July 23 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly
he's out
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On July 23 2012 03:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:53 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:52 Broodwurst wrote:On July 23 2012 03:50 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:49 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:48 -TesteR- wrote:On July 23 2012 03:47 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 03:46 FairForever wrote:On July 23 2012 03:44 yeint wrote:
Fairness is a value judgment, you can't claim that something is "mathematically fair".
Yes, rules need to be mathematically consistent, but consistency alone doesn't constitute fairness. But it's still fair in that it applies to everyone equally. Good to hear that there's no such thing as imbalance, since units apply to everyone evenly. We can finally shut down all balance arguments! Only applies to mirror match ups! Mirror matches prove total balance, duh. Zergs have to deal with Broodlords, so how can T or P complain about broods? Zergs have broodlords to deal with broodlords, T or P does not. Broodlord vs Broodlord must be an interesting fight. It's absolutely hilarious to watch. It happened once that I can remember. I believe it was Sheth vs Morrow(morrow played zerg in this case obviously) mined out crossfire max zerg vs max zerg and it was just brood lords sending out more broodlings to fight the other broodlings over and over
haha it sounds totally retarded
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On July 23 2012 03:55 Wrath 2.1 wrote:Can someone tell me when Stephano plays ? Would be friendly
He bombed out
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Stephano is out, lost 4:1 vs Oz
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