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On July 19 2012 22:58 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high. line not gonna beat mc anytime soon... i hope.
You never know... stranger things have happened in the GSL 
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On July 19 2012 22:23 NightOfTheDead wrote:
In terms of interesting games
TvZ>TvP>PvZ=PvP>TvT>ZvZ
So no, not worst finals. PvP can be VERY good, and really interesting.
I find TvT way more interesting than PvP or PvZ....
Matter of opinions, at least say it...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard.
Polt >> Ganzi
July > Sniper
MC = Squirtle
Nestea = DRG
Huk << Taeja
TOP = MKP
Overall slightly in favor for Mvp, but Mvp was far and away the best player there so relatively it was easier for him.
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On July 19 2012 23:01 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:23 NightOfTheDead wrote:
In terms of interesting games
TvZ>TvP>PvZ=PvP>TvT>ZvZ
So no, not worst finals. PvP can be VERY good, and really interesting. I find TvT way more interesting than PvP or PvZ.... Matter of opinions, at least say it...
I don't even really have a preference anymore. ZvZ has evolved a lot and we're now seeing lots of great macro games. TvT has always been a very entertaining chess match to behold, and PvP has branched out from a 4-gate shitfest into many new and interesting strategies, though Colossus wars still kind of suck. The non-mirrors are all equally good in my eyes.
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On July 19 2012 23:03 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard. Polt >> Ganzi July > Sniper MC = Squirtle Nestea = DRG Huk << Taeja TOP = MKP Overall slightly in favor for Mvp, but Mvp was far and away the best player there so relatively it was easier for him.
I disagree that Top = MKP, but everything else looks right. It's hard to compare overall because it's been so long that it's hard to draw direct comparisons between those players now.
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On July 19 2012 23:01 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:23 NightOfTheDead wrote:
In terms of interesting games
TvZ>TvP>PvZ=PvP>TvT>ZvZ
So no, not worst finals. PvP can be VERY good, and really interesting. I find TvT way more interesting than PvP or PvZ.... Matter of opinions, at least say it...
I think PvP is the most interesting early game since everything is so expensive, any slight mistake can be game-ending. It's both frustrating and cool at the same time because you can see clear indications of who is playing better. TvT and ZvZ kind of have this but not so much. Then PvP afterwards is just kind of face roll of who gets off the first good collosus volley which can turn the game even if it's 3 or 4 base to 2 base. ZvZ seems similar though base count and economy generally mean a lot more, maybe I don't understand the finer points of ZvZ but it seems to just come down to fungals and positioning. TvT seems to have the most spectator-friendly mid and late game IMO.
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On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through, and then we usually have some mixture of the usual foreign tournament-competing Koreans and top foreigners like Stephano in the quarterfinals to the finals. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high.
<MC said he didnt even prepare for those games just freestyled macro he felt he could take em to keep strats hidden. I wouldnt read too much into them.
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On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view
give pheonix a buff vs massive units, so they can kill broods and colossi :<
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On July 19 2012 23:07 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through, and then we usually have some mixture of the usual foreign tournament-competing Koreans and top foreigners like Stephano in the quarterfinals to the finals. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high. <MC said he didnt even prepare for those games just freestyled macro he felt he could take em to keep strats hidden. I wouldnt read too much into them.
Where did MC say that?
On July 19 2012 23:07 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view give pheonix a buff vs massive units, so they can kill broods and colossi :<
That would be ridiculously OP >_>;;
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Well, enjoy it Protoss fans, been a while.
Had a feeling DRG would get crushed given how mediocre he looked against NaNiwa. As a ByuN fan I wasn't at all impressed with his performance either, he can do so much better than that 
Hope Seed takes it.
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On July 19 2012 23:08 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:07 tdt wrote:On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through, and then we usually have some mixture of the usual foreign tournament-competing Koreans and top foreigners like Stephano in the quarterfinals to the finals. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high. <MC said he didnt even prepare for those games just freestyled macro he felt he could take em to keep strats hidden. I wouldnt read too much into them. Where did MC say that?
The Ro4 interviews in General Discussion.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:06 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:03 lichter wrote:On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard. Polt >> Ganzi July > Sniper MC = Squirtle Nestea = DRG Huk << Taeja TOP = MKP Overall slightly in favor for Mvp, but Mvp was far and away the best player there so relatively it was easier for him. I disagree that Top = MKP, but everything else looks right. It's hard to compare overall because it's been so long that it's hard to draw direct comparisons between those players now.
Top reached the finals, while MKP hasn't made it far in the GSL in a long time. MKP has foreign results though, so that's why I drew them equals. It was a lucky season for Top to make it all the way but he was still playing really good at the time. Pretty fair comparison I think.
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3rd best gsl final of this year by far.
will be epic
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On July 19 2012 23:09 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:08 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 23:07 tdt wrote:On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through, and then we usually have some mixture of the usual foreign tournament-competing Koreans and top foreigners like Stephano in the quarterfinals to the finals. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high. <MC said he didnt even prepare for those games just freestyled macro he felt he could take em to keep strats hidden. I wouldnt read too much into them. Where did MC say that? The Ro4 interviews in General Discussion.
/facepalm
Didn't read that carefully enough. I was more interested in how MC practiced with Jaedong xD
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oh god, here we are, worst match-up for the final :[
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:10 winthrop wrote:
3rd best gsl final of this year by far.
will be epic
I like your enthusaism! 
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Going to be just as boring as TvT....Wow PvP finals sigh......I am probably not even going to watch it.....The day before DRG on his twitter said "I want to cry".
I think someone thing going on mentally just looking at how he played today it was awful.
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Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 21:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:40 Clefairy wrote:
I wish Blizzard would fix PvP so that the expectation of shitty games didn't exist. remove colossus that literally solves every problem with the matchup from a spectator point of view
i don't mind, so long as carriers are buffed to fulfil a similar-ish role. carriers are fun.
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On July 19 2012 23:15 Coolness53 wrote:
Going to be just as boring as TvT....Wow PvP finals sigh.
Only matchup that hasn't been a finals yet, I think we'll be ok.
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DRG was no match for MC this time <3 <3 <3 STOMPED!
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EPT
