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On July 19 2012 22:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:36 Slardar wrote:On July 19 2012 22:35 opterown wrote:
stephano is the best player, man.
#newzergbonjwa Did MC bust out some new strategies to beat DRG? Recap me! <3 drg actually just played rather badly today. disappointing tbh, didn't compare to mc's standard game
Ahh.....yeah well when MC gets in the zone he makes everyone look terrible.
"Aren't you still jetlagged due to all the foreign tournaments?
It's true I had a hard time after just 2 hours of sleep. However, my mind woke up on its own. It became clear as soon as I sat down in the booth. It's amazing how this competitive will is ever present. "
Engaging nerd murder spree....zzzttt
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France9034 Posts
I definitely can't remove of my head a 4 - 0 prediction in favor of MC... :/
Hope i'll be wrong, but still....
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Anyone trying to make any claims about who is better than who is an idiot.
DRG may have just had an off day.
GSL is like no other tournament, with a significant amount of time to prepare.
MC may have been tired at previous tournaments and really showed his game today.
Stephano may have gotten lucky against MC and caught him on a bad day.
Stephano has yet to prove himself in a GSL format.
There are a hundred more scenarios you could add to this list. There's absolutely no need for this talk yet.
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I get home from dark knight rises and find myself with a PvP finals....this season a protoss brother succeeds again!!!
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MC said in a gomtv interview : Stephano is better than DRG
sup haters?
but to be fair, it's only a protoss point of view
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On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top
Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard.
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On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard.
polt, mc and nestea won the three GSLs prior to Mvp's own run, so they were pretty in form  huk was the foreign hope and july was playing pretty decently iirc
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On July 19 2012 22:50 hyuu wrote:
MC said in a gomtv interview : Stephano is better than DRG
sup haters?
but to be fair, it's only a protoss point of view
MC has one of the best zerg play too..
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On July 19 2012 22:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Anyone trying to make any claims about who is better than who is an idiot.
DRG may have just had an off day.
GSL is like no other tournament, with a significant amount of time to prepare.
MC may have been tired at previous tournaments and really showed his game today.
Stephano may have gotten lucky against MC and caught him on a bad day.
Stephano has yet to prove himself in a GSL format.
There are a hundred more scenarios you could add to this list. There's absolutely no need for this talk yet.
And maybe, just maybe, Stephano was the better player at NASL and would have beaten any protoss at this time ? 
Anyway, agreed with your first sentence, all of those guys can win or lose against each other depending on current form or metagame evolution, and unless you make them play bo11 every day for a month against each other there won't be any clear "best player in the world".
Nerchio was the hype at HSC, Stephano was the hype at NASL, soon MC or Seed will be the hype at GSL, etc...
As long as we get good games, that's actually good to have diversity among top players and not to always see the same faces.
Pvp finals tho, even if the matchup has improved a lot since the 4 gates era, can't say it appears that entertaining :s
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On July 19 2012 22:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard. polt, mc and nestea won the three GSLs prior to Mvp's own run, so they were pretty in form huk was the foreign hope and july was playing pretty decently iirc
Also, Top was in the finals so he was not average at the time by any means.
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United States97274 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2012 21:36 opterown wrote:On July 19 2012 21:35 NightOfTheDead wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure Beat finalist, beat champion, and beat previous champion? How can there be a harder road? On July 19 2012 21:35 FataLe wrote:On July 19 2012 21:33 opterown wrote:
lose to ganzi
beat sniper
beat ganzi
beat mkp
beat squirtle
beat taeja
beat drg
started off pretty meh, escalted quickly, pretty good path
there have been harder roads for sure any idea of who? sorry my history is weak. i know all the champs just can't remember any incredible runs aside from face rolls (NesTea, Squirtle) i think mvp had a harder one polt, mc, nestea, huk, july, top Eh, I'd say Ganzi, Sniper, Squirtle, MKP, Taeja, and DRG is a comparably difficult road to Polt, MC, Nestea, HuK, July, and Top. Ganzi and Sniper are merely average IMO, but Squirtle, MKP, and DRG are tip-top players of their respective races, and ELO may have its flaws, but anyone who can attain rank 1 ELO is pretty damn good (in regards to Taeja). I don't remember how in-form MVP's opponents were but nevertheless, MC's road was pretty damn hard. polt, mc and nestea won the three GSLs prior to Mvp's own run, so they were pretty in form huk was the foreign hope and july was playing pretty decently iirc
4 gsls before because Nestea had just come off 2 including his undefeated GSL season. GSL March, May, Super Tournament, and July were won by MC, Nestea, Polt, and NesTea respectively
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looking at all these things of what tasteless has said
its funny how he's been the one being bashed when he has called both Seed and Jjakji.
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On July 19 2012 22:23 NightOfTheDead wrote:
In terms of interesting games
TvZ>TvP>PvZ=PvP>TvT>ZvZ
So no, not worst finals. PvP can be VERY good, and really interesting.
Again, this is your opinion. You shouldn't speak like it's general truth.
For me: I would never rate PvP more interesting than TvT. In some cases, I would even prefer TvT over PvZ.
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Stephano may have gotten lucky against MC and caught him on a bad day.
It's not the first time Stephano won against MC, I'll even said that every series they made over the past few month have been reeeeeally close (red bul, mlg, NASL... etc) and each match in these series have also been close, so it seems to me that they both are on the same level and one day stephano will win, the other day it will be MC. About GSL, I disagree about the fact he has to "prove himself", I don't consider that gsl is the only tournament that count, it's not true anymore since all top Koreans already goes to the biggest foreigner competition.
I really think that Stephano ZvP is the best in the world, but his fluctuant ZvZ makes him more fragile, sadly I really don't think he has a lot of chance against DRG/Symbol/Nestea in a Bo3/5.
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United States97274 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:53 Femari wrote:
looking at all these things of what tasteless has said
its funny how he's been the one being bashed when he has called both Seed and Jjakji.
Like a said a few pages back... Tasteless #1. Tasteless Blessing/Buff vs Artosis curse!! woo!
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:50 hyuu wrote:
MC said in a gomtv interview : Stephano is better than DRG
sup haters?
but to be fair, it's only a protoss point of view
wait really? where
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On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player.
Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through, and then we usually have some mixture of the usual foreign tournament-competing Koreans and top foreigners like Stephano in the quarterfinals to the finals. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high.
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On July 19 2012 22:50 hyuu wrote:
MC said in a gomtv interview : Stephano is better than DRG
sup haters?
but to be fair, it's only a protoss point of view
MC never said that.Don't put words into another player mouth and cause drama.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:57 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:19 Heavenlee wrote:On July 19 2012 22:17 niteReloaded wrote:
So... Stephano 4:2'ed the guy who 3:0'ed the guy who 3:2'd Naniwa. And it's all PvZ, so this isn't completely dismissable.
I love Nani and he's the one who's proven in the GSL, but I wouldn't bet on him if they played a BO7 showmatch. Not yet anyway. Seriously, why do people insist on talking about Stephano in here, or making comparisons because so-and-so beat so-and-so? Ever consider the possibility that some people play different styles, have bad days, got the wrong end of some luck, there were bad maps, etc? TLO went 1-2 against MC at HSCV whereas DRG went 0-3...clearly TLO superior player. Lol yeah if you want to bring that up, you also have to bring Nerchio into the discussion, who 3-1'd MC at HSC. Guess Stephano, Nerchio, and TLO are all superior players to MC -_-;; Fact is that the GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and we've seen many players beat extremely strong GSL players in foreign tournaments only to fall in the GSL themselves. The thing is that in foreign tournaments, there's almost always a massive lineup of average/mediocre players who the favorites usually smash through. In the GSL, anyone can beat anyone because the level of competition is so high.
line not gonna beat mc anytime soon... i hope.
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