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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1421
On July 16 2012 22:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
MVP convincingly beat 2 bad zergs to advance to next round, don't forget about that.

Zest fanboy.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 13:45:33
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1422
On July 16 2012 22:40 s3rp wrote:
Yeah Vikings should've been split up better but still fungaled once = dead Anti-Air and probably lost game is just a bad mechanic , way too unforgiving that way.

Infestors are way too strong IMO. There's just so much utility in them and combined with Broodlords, they're really really very frustrating to watch.

I mean I know that EMPs, feedbacks and snipes counter them, but being able to chain fungal is ridiculously strong. Particularly when there's a lot of damage output from fungals as well.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1423
On July 16 2012 22:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
MVP convincingly beat 2 zergs to advance to next round, don't forget about that.


Mvp timing sense is deadly.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1424
On July 16 2012 22:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Hoping for some epic ZvZ.

Hoping for a repeat of Nestea vs Symbol. Late game ZvZ's are always incredible.
Long live the King of Wings
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1425
On July 16 2012 22:40 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:39 ZenithM wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:36 Derez wrote:
Despite the loss Byun is probably the most convincing TvZ'er around at the moment.

Definitely.
MKP still won against Symbol on Antiga though. Antiga is really the most favorable map for TvZ in the pool. I would have liked some win here to consolidate Byun's confidence in TvZ...


it was. I think those late game player are way more confident on Whirlwind/Metropolis now where you have the eco to transition into sky terran.

I see Byun more as a classic TvZer. Drops and trade bio well with great micro, not the new turtle style and split map to BC-raven-ghosts-whatever.
I guess Byun can play this style too but I've never seen him do it.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1426
On July 16 2012 22:43 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:41 Zane wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:40 Wildmoon wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 Adreme wrote:
I still want to see this BC/Raven composition that supposedly is the "answer" to late game ZvT.


Mvp did it once.

Only possible on Metropolis, and he still needed the zerg to make just 2 infestors and clump his entire army.


I want to see logistics of it because it seems like it would suffer from same immobility problems that BL/infestor sometimes does or very big maps and it would take too long to tech into on the smaller ones.

He blocked both chokes on Metropolis with PFs and basically forced a split map game.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1427
On July 16 2012 22:41 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:40 Wildmoon wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 Adreme wrote:
I still want to see this BC/Raven composition that supposedly is the "answer" to late game ZvT.


Mvp did it once.


Hack beat LosirA with BC/Raven too.


You have to be quite a bit ahead to make that transition safe. It just takes so much time and resources to make the BC/Raven transition. It also depends on map. MVP did it on Metropolis because he was able to siege/bunker up his side. On smaller maps with multiple attack paths, it is very hard to do.
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1428
Sad for Byun but DRG Symbol could be epic :S
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1429
On July 16 2012 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
I know this isn't the place to discuss this but still, I wish blizzard would go on with their fungal change(the one that added a missile to it)
Here's an example made by some guy+ Show Spoiler +


This would mean Byun could micro his vikings during the actual battle, not before it. Pre-emptive splitting isn't something to gasp at, with this change there would be so much more skill needed on both sides. Zerg aiming, terran dodgin'!

Gogo Byun, hope he can re vs Symbol and pwn him hard!


They would probably have to cheapen cost of infestor so that there could be more missles though if they did that.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 16 2012 13:44 GMT
#1430
On July 16 2012 22:43 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:41 Zane wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:40 Wildmoon wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 Adreme wrote:
I still want to see this BC/Raven composition that supposedly is the "answer" to late game ZvT.


Mvp did it once.

Only possible on Metropolis, and he still needed the zerg to make just 2 infestors and clump his entire army.


I want to see logistics of it because it seems like it would suffer from same immobility problems that BL/infestor sometimes does or very big maps and it would take too long to tech into on the smaller ones.


PF are pretty good at dealing with runbys so you just force an engagement from the Z.
Zest fanboy.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1431
On July 16 2012 22:41 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:39 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:29 Juliette wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:29 Ragnarork wrote:
Omg I just can't wait for the next LR post of Juliette...

I WANT DA STREAM NAW.

But sadly I can't..

ill post faster sorry


Don't be sorry, you're doing an amazing job, thanks !

Btw, sad that after what seemed like an amazing play from Byun, he still loses...

I really dislike the zerg lategame. I feel that the Terran must not make ANY mistake once BL/festors are out....

Terrans really need an AoE spell that works against other things than casters... ~~

That's the thing that bugs me most about that game. Byun handled the BL-Ultra-BL-Ultra transitions pretty much perfectly, had the game in the bag, then forgot to split his vikings once. He made late game Zerg not look as strong as it has in the past til that one mistake.


That's why i'd like that Fungal Growth does less damages. I mean, pinning down unit is just already huge (especially combined with Baneling and/or ultras). Add up the damage, and it's incredibly efficient...

I don't know how this could be adressed... And to which extent...
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1432
On July 16 2012 22:44 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
MVP convincingly beat 2 bad zergs to advance to next round, don't forget about that.



Hey, Sniper is pretty good.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1433
Why BYUN WHY T.T!!!!!!!!
If you only had SPLIT THOSE VIKINGS,he played almost perfect text book TvZ.

But gratz to Symbol.
Play your best
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1434
On July 16 2012 22:44 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:43 Adreme wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:41 Zane wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:40 Wildmoon wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 Adreme wrote:
I still want to see this BC/Raven composition that supposedly is the "answer" to late game ZvT.


Mvp did it once.

Only possible on Metropolis, and he still needed the zerg to make just 2 infestors and clump his entire army.


I want to see logistics of it because it seems like it would suffer from same immobility problems that BL/infestor sometimes does or very big maps and it would take too long to tech into on the smaller ones.

He blocked both chokes on Metropolis with PFs and basically forced a split map game.


I know it would work on Metropolis (seems like double PF turtle is MVPs style on that map) but a lot of maps cant be completely safe with just 2 PFs.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1435
On July 16 2012 22:44 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
MVP convincingly beat 2 bad zergs to advance to next round, don't forget about that.


if "bad" means "made it this far in arguably the hardest tournament bracket yet for sc2" then yeah, 2 bad zergs.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1436
On July 16 2012 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
I know this isn't the place to discuss this but still, I wish blizzard would go on with their fungal change(the one that added a missile to it)
Here's an example made by some guy+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PjfJQ04H9I


This would mean Byun could micro his vikings during the actual battle, not before it. Pre-emptive splitting isn't something to gasp at, with this change there would be so much more skill needed on both sides. Zerg aiming, terran dodgin'!

Gogo Byun, hope he can re vs Symbol and pwn him hard!

Well anything would be better than what Infestors are right now. Anything that completely takes Micro away from the game worsens the overall viewing experience. Very boring unit.



imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#1437
On July 16 2012 22:44 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:40 sAsImre wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 ZenithM wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:36 Derez wrote:
Despite the loss Byun is probably the most convincing TvZ'er around at the moment.

Definitely.
MKP still won against Symbol on Antiga though. Antiga is really the most favorable map for TvZ in the pool. I would have liked some win here to consolidate Byun's confidence in TvZ...


it was. I think those late game player are way more confident on Whirlwind/Metropolis now where you have the eco to transition into sky terran.

I see Byun more as a classic TvZer. Drops and trade bio well with great micro, not the new turtle style and split map to BC-raven-ghosts-whatever.
I guess Byun can play this style too but I've never seen him do it.

in his ro8 interview he said that TvZ was ok because of that late game comp and that he feels T needs to turtle in TvZ. Wait and see
Zest fanboy.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#1438
On July 16 2012 22:43 Andr3 wrote:
I know this isn't the place to discuss this but still, I wish blizzard would go on with their fungal change(the one that added a missile to it)
Here's an example made by some guy+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PjfJQ04H9I


This would mean Byun could micro his vikings during the actual battle, not before it. Pre-emptive splitting isn't something to gasp at, with this change there would be so much more skill needed on both sides. Zerg aiming, terran dodgin'!

Gogo Byun, hope he can re vs Symbol and pwn him hard!


That was AWESOME!!!!
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#1439
winners

Z11 Symbol <Ohana> Z5 DRG

OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
July 16 2012 13:46 GMT
#1440
On July 16 2012 22:44 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:40 sAsImre wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:39 ZenithM wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:36 Derez wrote:
Despite the loss Byun is probably the most convincing TvZ'er around at the moment.

Definitely.
MKP still won against Symbol on Antiga though. Antiga is really the most favorable map for TvZ in the pool. I would have liked some win here to consolidate Byun's confidence in TvZ...


it was. I think those late game player are way more confident on Whirlwind/Metropolis now where you have the eco to transition into sky terran.

I see Byun more as a classic TvZer. Drops and trade bio well with great micro, not the new turtle style and split map to BC-raven-ghosts-whatever.
I guess Byun can play this style too but I've never seen him do it.

I very much prefer Byun's way of playing lategame TvZ. The constant dropping and harass made it impossible for the BL-Ultra transitions to be as effective as they could've been otherwise. It's so much more entertaining too.
Long live the King of Wings
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