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On July 07 2012 05:56 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013 Can you imagine the LR threads for rock-paper-scissors?
OMG ITS SCISSORS, he played scissors to her paper and won
SCISSORS NERF PLEASEEEE
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Well im not that suprised that MVP lost, nor(?) do I care that he lost (being a huge huge MVP fan). His play hasn't been looking as impressive recently, and he has said before that he has trouble at foreign events( or was that Neatea...). I just hope that he can get back into it soon, get healthy again, and start winning like every tourney again! ^^ MVP Fighting!~
Also I'm suprised he's even there to be honest...
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On July 07 2012 05:56 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:56 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013 Can you imagine the LR threads for rock-paper-scissors? The hatred toward the other possibilities would be even higher than in sc
Scissor imba. Rock is fine. -Paper
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On July 07 2012 05:56 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:55 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:54 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:53 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Iyerbeth wrote:Group G:  sLivko VS  DBS
Game 2Map - GSL  Atlantis SpaceshipsLivko - 8 o'clock spawn. DBS - 12 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:sLivko 1 - DBS 0 CC first from DBS. 2 Hatches first from sLivko before Pool. Factory and Reactor from DBS. 2 Queens from sLivko and gas taken. 3rd CC incoming for DBS. 2 more Queens (4) for sLivko. Starport incoming too. Speed started for Lings. Banshee incoming for DBS, no cloak. Roach Warren, Baneling nest and double Evo for sLivko. Spores up before Banshee gets to the main. hellions go in to third at the same time but immediately attacked by sLivko. 6 Drones killed total.
Stim, Siege mode and +1 +1 bio coming for DBS.
+1 +1 melee for sLivko with macro Hatch and Infestation Pit. Lots of Lings.
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On July 07 2012 05:53 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:52 The KY wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:
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Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot.
I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed. Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have. And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. To all those STILL whining about it; imagine a tournament with no upsets. MVP would win everything he entered and it'd be kind of cool for a while but then it'd get reeeeeal dull. A tournament with no upsets would be the most boring thing ever.
See: Tennis.
It's still cool to see the top 3/4 players demonstrate their incredible skills in the later stages of the tournaments again and again and again but god damn if the game where Rosol knocked out Nadal at Wimbledon wasn't exciting as fuck.
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On July 07 2012 05:56 ElegantSolution wrote:
Can anyone tell what's the story behind everyone tolling about @LiquidRet or give a link where this joke was born?
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On July 07 2012 05:56 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:56 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013 Can you imagine the LR threads for rock-paper-scissors? The hatred toward the other possibilities would be even higher than in sc
At least there wouldn't be patches...
or maybe there would be after all the inevitable whining.
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Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.
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On July 07 2012 05:57 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:56 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:54 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:53 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Iyerbeth wrote:Group G: sLivko VS DBS
Game 2Map - GSL Atlantis SpaceshipsLivko - 8 o'clock spawn. DBS - 12 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:sLivko 1 - DBS 0 CC first from DBS. 2 Hatches first from sLivko before Pool. Factory and Reactor from DBS. 2 Queens from sLivko and gas taken. 3rd CC incoming for DBS. 2 more Queens (4) for sLivko. Starport incoming too. Speed started for Lings. Banshee incoming for DBS, no cloak. Roach Warren, Baneling nest and double Evo for sLivko. Spores up before Banshee gets to the main. hellions go in to third at the same time but immediately attacked by sLivko. 6 Drones killed total. Stim, Siege mode and +1 +1 bio coming for DBS. +1 +1 melee for sLivko with macro Hatch and Infestation Pit. Lots of Lings.
DBS drops in main, gets 2 Drones.
Taken a weird 3rd in the middle of the map with an Orbital, not scouted yet.
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On July 07 2012 05:54 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:52 Whatson wrote:On July 07 2012 05:51 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:49 Swiv wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:
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I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have. And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. maybe random foreigners are good as well`? Nah. Impossible. Seriously though, this community is impossible to please. Have a tournament with top 8 only koreans, "omg no foreigners make the game boring". Have a foreigner pull an upset vs one of the best koreans "omg foreigners taking games off koreans make the game boring". Can't please everyone... You're only insulting yourself by saying the community is impossible to please. What? Explain this logic to me.
You should probably end this discussion soon. Don't want to waste your 10000th post on arguing if SC2 sucks because Mvp can lose if he plays sloppy. :p
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On July 07 2012 05:56 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:56 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013 Can you imagine the LR threads for rock-paper-scissors? Fucking paper imba. Shit game.
scissors new zerg bonjwa?
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On July 07 2012 05:51 mambar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:50 Gevna wrote:On July 07 2012 05:43 Toadvine wrote:On July 07 2012 05:39 GuardianEU wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:
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I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him. Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot. I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed. Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... so the game is a joke if the best player plays bad and can lose games? seems legit. And yet there are games where this does not happen. BW and Quake Live for instance. Make all the excuses you want, it IS very easy to lose to an inferior player in SC2. Hmm yeah, Flash has never lost a game against Dear. He is even on 100% winstreaks for the last 2 years. they are saying it happens far less often, which makes it more meaningful
Jaedong's overall winrate in BW is 68.5%, MVPs in SC2 is 64.66%.
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On July 07 2012 05:56 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:55 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Saronix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 MCDayC wrote:On July 07 2012 05:47 Euronyme wrote:
My mind is fucking blown by that rock paper scissor championship I know man. And there were people who consistently placed high as well. How does someone be consistent at rock-paper-scissors. I read an article on how to be decent at it and beat my wife like 6-0. apparently Humans suck at being random so scissors is least played and rock is statistically most played (by males) so it's safe to go paper usually when in doubt. Also playing the item that your opponent would have beaten you with his previous move tends to win. If an opponent goes for the same choice 2x in a row the chance of him giving it a 3rd try is extremely low as he is "trying to be random" as opposed to actually being random. Sounds awesome :p do you have a link to said article? MentalGNT rock-paper-scissors bonjwa 2013 Can you imagine the LR threads for rock-paper-scissors?
i'm pretty sure they'd be the equivalent of any SC2 LR thread!
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On July 07 2012 05:58 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:57 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:56 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:54 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:53 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Iyerbeth wrote:Group G: sLivko VS DBS
Game 2Map - GSL Atlantis SpaceshipsLivko - 8 o'clock spawn. DBS - 12 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:sLivko 1 - DBS 0 CC first from DBS. 2 Hatches first from sLivko before Pool. Factory and Reactor from DBS. 2 Queens from sLivko and gas taken. 3rd CC incoming for DBS. 2 more Queens (4) for sLivko. Starport incoming too. Speed started for Lings. Banshee incoming for DBS, no cloak. Roach Warren, Baneling nest and double Evo for sLivko. Spores up before Banshee gets to the main. hellions go in to third at the same time but immediately attacked by sLivko. 6 Drones killed total. Stim, Siege mode and +1 +1 bio coming for DBS. +1 +1 melee for sLivko with macro Hatch and Infestation Pit. Lots of Lings. DBS drops in main, gets 2 Drones. Taken a weird 3rd in the middle of the map with an Orbital, not scouted yet.
Hellions caught in the middle of the map by lots of Lings and they all die.
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On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 05:08 Asha` wrote:On July 07 2012 05:06 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2012 04:57 Asha` wrote:
Monchi's fast hidden third wins him game 3. Disgusting series. I know, MVP should have played better and scouted it. He should have assumed his opponent would take risks against him. Yup, should expect inferior players to do this a lot. I guess he was just overly scared of another 2 base all in after the game before rather than Monchi going the other way and hoping to get away with greed. Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have. And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is.
I have a hard time understanding this. Is it more interesting when the results of every match are basically pre-determined? I like seeing upsets because it means that every game actually matters.
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On July 07 2012 05:56 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:51 Calis5 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:49 Swiv wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
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Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have. And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. maybe random foreigners are good as well`? Or maybe this game has a low skill cap where exceptional players cant really stand out? But exceptional players are standing out. That's indicted by the giant shit fit on this LR thread after Mvp lost. Everyone was really surprised he lost because we know Mvp usually wins because he's an exceptionally good player. All of this complaining proves there are exceptional players. If there weren't any then we'd never be surprised when a monchi beat an mvp.
Mvp got popular with exceptional play, monchi beating Mvp with average play isn't interesting. If Monchi did something amazing I wouldn't have a problem with it obviously. Symbol coming out of relative nowhere and killing players that used to be dominant is interesting because he actually plays brilliantly.
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On July 07 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Maybe people need to start accepting that Mvp is not the best player in the world anymore.
Just like they accepted before GSL October. Or before last GSL.
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On July 07 2012 05:57 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:53 TheBanana wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 The KY wrote:On July 07 2012 05:48 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:44 Fragile51 wrote:On July 07 2012 05:42 MentalGNT wrote:On July 07 2012 05:38 zezamer wrote:On July 07 2012 05:36 zefreak wrote:On July 07 2012 05:32 IshinShishi wrote:On July 07 2012 05:26 Plansix wrote:
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Inferior is a strong word and not one that I would use for someone who just beat MVP. I would say that Monchi knew he was not going to be able to match MVPs end game macro, since he is the Game Genie Terran. You can't fault people who do not have access to the Korean ladder for taking risks. I think the whole situation of MVP being able to be beaten by these guys is just very sad for the game and when he streams and loses to jackthejasonbowler high master NA it doesn't help my mood either. I agree, a game where someone can dominate and then lose to random players loses interest fast, and is usually just a bad game. Theres a reason why there's no such thing as rock paper scissors tournaments. Game is a joke if the best player in the history of the game can lose to someone like monchi, sorry... The best player in Starcraft 2 history still has to play well to win. Mvp played very sloppy and lost. Just as he should have. And I say this as a huge Mvp fan. Exactly. I'm a huge MVP fan but his play thusfar has been very underwhelming. Nah, huge bw names rarely lost to random foreigners(even when they "played sloppy"), it was like the happening of the month, in sc2 it happens so often to players like MKP, MVP, MMA etc. it makes the game seem a lot less interesting, that's just the way it is. To all those STILL whining about it; imagine a tournament with no upsets. MVP would win everything he entered and it'd be kind of cool for a while but then it'd get reeeeeal dull. A tournament with no upsets would be the most boring thing ever. See: Tennis. It's still cool to see the top 3/4 players demonstrate their incredible skills in the later stages of the tournaments again and again and again but god damn if the game where Rosol knocked out Nadal at Wimbledon wasn't exciting as fuck.
And who remembers MC vs White-ra during GSL WC? Or Dimaga vs Nestea? That's some e-sports history moments right there, and one of the defining moments of sc2 overall.
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Of the 13 GSL's (i.e. the only LAN tournament that has the same entrants every time), four have been won by MVP, three by NesTea and two by MC, with only four players winning only one tournament.
HOW RANDOM!!
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On July 07 2012 05:58 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:58 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:57 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:56 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:55 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:54 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:53 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:52 Iyerbeth wrote:On July 07 2012 05:50 Iyerbeth wrote:Group G: sLivko VS DBS
Game 2Map - GSL Atlantis SpaceshipsLivko - 8 o'clock spawn. DBS - 12 o'clock spawn. Best of 3 score:sLivko 1 - DBS 0 CC first from DBS. 2 Hatches first from sLivko before Pool. Factory and Reactor from DBS. 2 Queens from sLivko and gas taken. 3rd CC incoming for DBS. 2 more Queens (4) for sLivko. Starport incoming too. Speed started for Lings. Banshee incoming for DBS, no cloak. Roach Warren, Baneling nest and double Evo for sLivko. Spores up before Banshee gets to the main. hellions go in to third at the same time but immediately attacked by sLivko. 6 Drones killed total. Stim, Siege mode and +1 +1 bio coming for DBS. +1 +1 melee for sLivko with macro Hatch and Infestation Pit. Lots of Lings. DBS drops in main, gets 2 Drones. Taken a weird 3rd in the middle of the map with an Orbital, not scouted yet. Hellions caught in the middle of the map by lots of Lings and they all die.
sLivko takes his 4th and a drop over it is caught by Infestors.
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