When: Friday, Jun 29 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 24 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 3. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop to LR3. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
StarTale Bomber Hack Rainbow Sound Virus Aphrodite Ace Parting Squirtle Trickster Tiger Ssoja Miss Curious July Superstar KingKong
Team SCV Life Polt Ultimate Center Punisher RevivaL HyuN Symbol Mamuri RagnaroK Shine Cyrano Inori Venus Dream Oscar
The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge 3 is on Friday, Jun 29 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
On June 30 2012 02:24 SeeKeR wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
NO USING LESSER KNOWN PLAYERS!
StarTale should use: Squirtle PartinG Curious Bomber July/ Virus/ Hack
TSL should use: Symbol Shine HyuN Polt Inori
StarTale will use Hack to snipe Polt, and KingKong against Zergs imo. Seems like KK is their go-to guy for ZvZ.
T-T....
KK is going to be a lesser known player that I didn't want
King Kong is pretty good and in theory since he could devote more time to these games he might be a better choice for StarTale than some other players who are busy preparing for other events and such. Seeing a few lesser known players is one of the best parts of team leagues. If you want to watch Symbol, Squirtle, or PartinG, then go tune into Code S. One of my favorite things to have happen is new players who have not proven themselves in Starleagues come out and win big in the team leagues. Remember when MMA or DongRaeGu first came out in the early seasons of GSTL and won against Mvp, NesTea, and MC. That was awesome.
The thing that we don't want to see if have StarTale play 4 or 5 players like King Kong and not really put in a serious effort. That being said, I think that Korean teams--at least when matched up against other Korean teams--are starting to take Team Leagues more seriously.
Symbol doesnt always perform as well online as he does in the GSL and GSTL. I think he is beatable if he comes out. Squirtle went 2-2 against him so best bet it will have to be squirtle to take him down
On June 30 2012 02:24 SeeKeR wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
NO USING LESSER KNOWN PLAYERS!
StarTale should use: Squirtle PartinG Curious Bomber July/ Virus/ Hack
TSL should use: Symbol Shine HyuN Polt Inori
Incoming:
StarTale: Kingkong Sound Tiger AcE Aphrodite
TSL: RevivaL Punisher Cyrano RagnaroK Dream
Followed by a huge "NOOOOOOOOOOOO" scream by SeeKeR
Meh..... I don't think you did this right. Sound is a player who did well in HomeStory. And he's well known AcE is a Code S player (fell to Code A, but is still considered Code S)
RevivaL has been in the GSTL so he's a well known player. So has RagnaroK.
On June 30 2012 02:24 SeeKeR wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
NO USING LESSER KNOWN PLAYERS!
StarTale should use: Squirtle PartinG Curious Bomber July/ Virus/ Hack
TSL should use: Symbol Shine HyuN Polt Inori
StarTale should use: Squirtle PartinG Curious Bomber July/ Virus/ Hack
TSL should use: Symbol Symbol Polt Symbol Symbol
FTFY
What? How can Symbol come back out if Polt came out? It should be
TSL should use: Polt Symbol Symbol Symbol Symbol
look at shellschock1122's post
On June 30 2012 04:09 Shellshock1122 wrote: Symbol doesnt always perform as well online as he does in the GSL and GSTL. I think he is beatable if he comes out. Squirtle went 2-2 against him so best bet it will have to be squirtle to take him down
Like i said, if Polt beat Squirtle, Symbol can handle other players.
This looks like it will be a good match, it should be close. i think it depends on who symbol and polt get sent out against. If they get good match up tsl wins. If they get sniped fast st has this with ease.
On June 30 2012 02:24 SeeKeR wrote: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
NO USING LESSER KNOWN PLAYERS!
StarTale should use: Squirtle PartinG Curious Bomber July/ Virus/ Hack
TSL should use: Symbol Shine HyuN Polt Inori
Incoming:
StarTale: Kingkong Sound Tiger AcE Aphrodite
TSL: RevivaL Punisher Cyrano RagnaroK Dream
Followed by a huge "NOOOOOOOOOOOO" scream by SeeKeR
Meh..... I don't think you did this right. Sound is a player who did well in HomeStory. And he's well known AcE is a Code S player (fell to Code A, but is still considered Code S)
RevivaL has been in the GSTL so he's a well known player. So has RagnaroK.
You did it wrong
Yeah, these teams don't have enough noname B-Teamers, so I just took members you didn't list :D
Startale should have this, but they've had some internal problems lately that players keep alluding to. I hope they're finding ways to deal with it, so they can go back to dominating. I would hate to see this end up like the 1-5 thrashing they got recently in the GSTL.
I think TSL's overall line-up is a little stronger than StarTale's, and any one of TSL's "b-teamers" is capable of beating StarTale's best. I think TSL can win 5-3 or 5-4.
On June 30 2012 07:30 Hall0wed wrote: Seo Ki Soo all-kill inc.
But if TSL somehow takes him out then Aphrodite will easily clean up.
Is tester still on startale? I recall that he needed to go to do his service very soon.
Yeah I imagine he has started his service by now, though I don't know for sure. I was just poking fun at the fact that IPL listed him as part of the roster. =P
On that note, I would think that Aphrodite can beat Seo Ki Soo pretty handily at this point.
On June 30 2012 07:53 HQuality wrote: Symbol + Polt is enough for startale lol
You sure are underestimating StarTale a lot.
He has a point..if all the "big" names are thrown out polt and symbol will probably get all the kills for TSL, with a whole bunch of ST players getting points
DOA hating on Squirtle, not cool. Saying Startale doesn't have a superstar and that Bomber and Parting are the closest to that, pretty damn ignorant. =/
On June 30 2012 08:07 Hall0wed wrote: DOA hating on Squirtle, not cool. Saying Startale doesn't have a superstar and that Bomber and Parting are the closest to that, pretty damn ignorant. =/
Squirtle isnt a Symbol or a DRG. He is really good, but not on that level, at least in the teamleagues.
On June 30 2012 08:07 Hall0wed wrote: DOA hating on Squirtle, not cool. Saying Startale doesn't have a superstar and that Bomber and Parting are the closest to that, pretty damn ignorant. =/
Squirtle isnt a Symbol or a DRG. He is really good, but not on that level, at least in the teamleagues.
Squirtle is startale's best team league player. He beat DRG in the last GSTL.
On June 30 2012 08:07 Hall0wed wrote: DOA hating on Squirtle, not cool. Saying Startale doesn't have a superstar and that Bomber and Parting are the closest to that, pretty damn ignorant. =/
Squirtle isnt a Symbol or a DRG. He is really good, but not on that level, at least in the teamleagues.
Squirtle is startale's best team league player. He beat DRG in the last GSTL.
Not to mention one of the best Code S runs ever last season.
A nice quick surgical strike for Startale from Ace. I like the sound of "Ace Curse" although it could also refer to how if Ace performs a ceremony before you've actually won, it will lead you to lose everything.
Really not of a fan of sending Inori first. Protoss make good starter but since TSL only have one... You can then send player without worrying of their vP performance.
On June 30 2012 08:07 Hall0wed wrote: DOA hating on Squirtle, not cool. Saying Startale doesn't have a superstar and that Bomber and Parting are the closest to that, pretty damn ignorant. =/
Squirtle isnt a Symbol or a DRG. He is really good, but not on that level, at least in the teamleagues.
Except he is. Squirtle is very much so equivalent to Symbol, though neither of those players are at DRG level. Though yes Squirtle usually isn't perfect in teamleagues, he still is just as good as some other "superstars".
Inori used to have a good anti-4 gate build for that map, not sure what he was thinking there. Guess its because this map is outdated.
On June 30 2012 08:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: Expected more from Inori, especially in his best MU.....
Inori's best matchup is PvZ he is killing zergs left and right.
considering that tsl has (imo) the best zerg lineup, that isnt too suprising
I'd argue that MVP's is better, sniper, munster, galaxy and DRG > Symbol, hyun, shine and revival. I am slightly biased against hyun and revival though due to just the sheer amount of straight up awful games I've seen from them (Anyone remember ensnare vs revival?).
If there is anything I noticed, HyuN had nice FF dodging and forced AcE to constantly waste them, which allowed his Roaches and Lings to just run over the army.
Hum, not a fan of sending Parting against a Zerg. Keeping him for sniping Polt would have been great. But I guess they have Squirtle for that. ( or Curious, since TvZ and stuff.. you know )
There is only 1 decent quick 3rd build on that map for Protoss, every other build will cause you to die. If you're going to use a crap build like that then atleast pressure and try and make your opponent mess up so you have atleast a slight chance at winning. -_-
Sending out Parting next is an ok move, though PvZ is Parting's worst matchup. Just as long as he doesn't use a terrible 3 base build he should be fine.
Surely parting should have been kept to snipe polt but I suppose parting can force out symbol early on as there's no inori to PvP snipe him now and TSL would prefer to avoid matching up polt against him.
That was really poorly done by Parting, he should have done more with that. That is the same build that MC has killed players like Nestea and Stephano with.
Brutal harass by PartinG. Good anticipation to have multiple observers flying around his army as well; maybe obvious, but I'm sure many protoss players would've forgotten it.
I don't understand what happened in that game. What the heck was Parting doing in Revival's natural for so long. He had to know he needed to go straight into the main and try to base trade.
On June 30 2012 09:05 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand what happened in that game. What the heck was Parting doing in Revival's natural for so long. He had to know he needed to go straight into the main and try to base trade.
exactly, still he would have lost but yeah, he was trying to clean up 40 roaches in his base -__-
I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
On June 30 2012 09:08 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
Probably because then Polt can choose Antiga to kill him.
On June 30 2012 09:08 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
Probably because then Polt can choose Antiga to kill him.
I suppose burning TvZ on antiga wouldn't be good, that does make sense seeing as ST has burnt their 2 best protoss maps for squirtle so it will probably be a terran to come out against symbol.
On June 30 2012 09:11 MangoMountain wrote: Revival is far from bad at zvz
Well I recall revival having pretty bad ZvZ in the past, I haven't kept up with him due to my nature of avoiding revival's matches because I really don't like his play.
On June 30 2012 09:08 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
lol What game have you been watching? Revival has been tearing shit up in ZvZ not just lately, but a long time ago too. He had one period of mediocrity, around the time Idra beat him at that IEM, but besides that he has always been a good ZvZ player.
He just owned DRG the other day in a qualifier too.
On June 30 2012 09:08 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
lol What game have you been watching? Revival has been tearing shit up in ZvZ not just lately, but a long time ago too. He had one period of mediocrity, around the time Idra beat him at that IEM, but besides that he has always been a good ZvZ player.
He just owned DRG the other day in a qualifier too.
On June 30 2012 09:08 Fusilero wrote: I wonder why not curious, revival is bad at ZvZ while curious is strong at the MU and on a good map with a bit of fortune in his favour he could take out polt as well.
Probably because then Polt can choose Antiga to kill him.
I suppose burning TvZ on antiga wouldn't be good, that does make sense seeing as ST has burnt their 2 best protoss maps for squirtle so it will probably be a terran to come out against symbol.
Antiga is probably Polt favorite and best map for TvZ.
On June 30 2012 09:28 ragnorr wrote: Always seems like terrans just roll over and die if a zerg is able to get the ultra into blord transition
He lost the game way before that point (aka when he lost his whole army the first time).
Yeah i know, but in general either terrans deal with the ultra threat and make the zerg unable to transition into blords or the zerg gets a successfull transition and just dies to blords due to no vikings. I guess most of it comes when the zerg is able to safely transition into blords they are ahead in the game
How can this ever work? The way Curious executed it, he was always behind in army supply and even in econemy, I just don't see how you can win this without many more lings. Off course you can do some runbys and alot of economic damage, but you have to count on your opponent to fuck up.
Revival is one of those players who are great in practice and online events, but is fairly weak in offline events. He could take down Squirtle if he could. Even if Squirtle takes down Revival, Polt and Symbol are there to take the slack.
Curious never microed his run-by to kill some drones. Not sure if it would have changed a lot tho, but it would have been better than the zero damage he did with those. Especially the first one.
On June 30 2012 09:43 TimePlay wrote: How can this ever work? The way Curious was executed it, he was always behind in army supply and even in econemy, I just don't see how you can win this without many more lings. Off course you can do some runbys and alot of economic damage, but you have to count on your opponent to fuck up.
You just have to not die until you get your ultras out, then it gets messy with fungal and ultras against roaches. Revival hit his timing well and Curious could have defended better, but if Curious held that and finished his tech he'd be in an nearly unloseable position considering Revival's unit comp.
Earlier he says that he has a high standard for calling someone a superstar and thus says that Squirtle isn't yet a superstar because he needs to wait atleast 6 months before doing so. Just now a calls Symbol a superstar, wtf.
Am I overreacting over meaningless bullshit? Yes. But man this kind of ignorance and stuff pisses me off. -_-
On June 30 2012 09:47 Hall0wed wrote: Ok seriously doa...
Earlier he says that he has a high standard for calling someone a superstar and thus says that Squirtle isn't yet a superstar because he needs to wait atleast 6 months before doing so. Just now a calls Symbol a superstar, wtf.
Am I overreacting over meaningless bullshit? Yes. But man this kind of ignorance and stuff pisses me off. -_-
On June 30 2012 10:03 PhoenixVoid wrote: That was a pretty good run by Revival, despite being quite unknown and underrated.
Revival unknown? Which rock have you been living under for the past 2 years. He has been around since SC2 start. Not to mention he wins alot of shit in online cups
On June 30 2012 10:03 PhoenixVoid wrote: That was a pretty good run by Revival, despite being quite unknown and underrated.
Revival unknown? Which rock have you been living under for the past 2 years. He has been around since SC2 start. Not to mention he wins alot of shit in online cups
Unknown in that he isn't known often, and people don't think of him often when you have to name TSL Zergs. I know he is involved heavily in Playhems, so he is far from "unknown", but not exactly a popular player.
On June 30 2012 10:03 PhoenixVoid wrote: That was a pretty good run by Revival, despite being quite unknown and underrated.
Revival unknown? Which rock have you been living under for the past 2 years. He has been around since SC2 start. Not to mention he wins alot of shit in online cups
Unknown in that he isn't known often, and people don't think of him often when you have to name TSL Zergs. I know he is involved heavily in Playhems, so he is far from "unknown", but not exactly a popular player.
Sure he isent the biggest person, but he was still the person i would consider the best TSL zerg before symbol came around recently. He was always a good asset for TSL generally getting 1 or more kills whenever he was send out in teamleagues.
On June 30 2012 10:03 PhoenixVoid wrote: That was a pretty good run by Revival, despite being quite unknown and underrated.
Revival unknown? Which rock have you been living under for the past 2 years. He has been around since SC2 start. Not to mention he wins alot of shit in online cups
Unknown in that he isn't known often, and people don't think of him often when you have to name TSL Zergs. I know he is involved heavily in Playhems, so he is far from "unknown", but not exactly a popular player.
Best word to describe Revival is that he is underrated.
On June 30 2012 10:15 neckgripper wrote: wow, squirtle so disappointing, can't beat symbol in a macro so resorts to all-ins.
Blame the map.... wayyy to hard to play any Macro game against any half decent zerg. Squirtle can for sure take Symbol on in a macro game, both players are great.
I think the casters hype Symbol a little too much. Symbol has near invincible ZvZ and ZvT but his ZvP is a real Achilles heel. Symbol is a solid second place behind DRG. DRG is just god
On June 30 2012 10:17 MattBarry wrote: I think the casters hype Symbol a little too much. Symbol has near invincible ZvZ and ZvT but his ZvP is a real Achilles heel. Symbol is a solid second place behind DRG. DRG is just god
But he beat Squirtle in GSL ^^ His ZvP isnt that bad.
On June 30 2012 10:17 Noocta wrote: MKP is still better I think Doa. Bomber got the match up figured out too. But Polt is definitly one of the best at it.
I have to agree, I'd say right now Polt has some of the best TvZ in the world while MKP has the best TvP as of this moment.
It's tough to really tell, with the huge metagame shift in both matchups and how many good Terrans there are.
On June 30 2012 10:17 MattBarry wrote: I think the casters hype Symbol a little too much. Symbol has near invincible ZvZ and ZvT but his ZvP is a real Achilles heel. Symbol is a solid second place behind DRG. DRG is just god
But he beat Squirtle in GSL ^^ His ZvP isnt that bad.
Squirtle beat him in the first Bo3. Technically, Squirtle went 3-2 against him. It's weird to say Achilles heel about Symbol because his ZvP isn't bad, in fact it's Code S level easily. But it's not nearly as strong as his ridiculous ZvT
On June 30 2012 10:22 Lennient wrote: Polt looks so dead to me.
It's when he look dead that Polt does the best tho :D I'm afraid tho. Parting fast 3 nexus 8 gate was out of popularity for a while, Polt might not expecting it.
Holy shit, marine tanks banshee, I've NEVER seen Polt do this build.
On June 30 2012 10:17 Noocta wrote: MKP is still better I think Doa. Bomber got the match up figured out too. But Polt is definitly one of the best at it.
I have to agree, I'd say right now Polt has some of the best TvZ in the world while MKP has the best TvP as of this moment.
It's tough to really tell, with the huge metagame shift in both matchups and how many good Terrans there are.
It's strange how much Polt changes. For a long time he was one of the few terran players with a sick win-rate against toss (others being Bomber, Puma, and Mvp). Then that fell a bit off and he became most known for his incredible bio TvT, certainly one of the best. Then it was his TvZ that became highly praised, around when he started playing Stephano a lot. Now I think it's hard to say. He's definitely still an amazing TvZ and TvP player, with his TvT solid but not top notch. However, this is just outside of Korea, as he's really been doing terribly in Korea in every matchup, so because of that, I don't think it's appropriate to say he's the best at any of them.
T_T No robo and yet as soon as an obs is out Squirtle will have a blind counter to Polt's build this game. It's a shame, fast third into archon chargelot rolls tank pushes.
Polt without any Ghosts and ample gas.......... why aren't Terrans using Ghosts anymore?? +5 archons there would be rendered useless, and you can't invest that gas elsewhere. Odd meta shift..... cannot understand.
On June 30 2012 10:33 Slardar wrote: Polt without any Ghosts and ample gas.......... why aren't Terrans using Ghosts anymore?? +5 archons there would be rendered useless, and you can't invest that gas elsewhere. Odd meta shift..... cannot understand.
Ghost are 200/100 dude. If you have lots of gas, it don't mean you can make Ghost easily.
On June 30 2012 10:33 Slardar wrote: Polt without any Ghosts and ample gas.......... why aren't Terrans using Ghosts anymore?? +5 archons there would be rendered useless, and you can't invest that gas elsewhere. Odd meta shift..... cannot understand.
Ghost are 200/100 dude. If you have lots of gas, it don't mean you can make Ghost easily.
It would be easier to make ghosts if they stayed 150/150, since you need all your minerals to pump bio.
On June 30 2012 10:33 Slardar wrote: Polt without any Ghosts and ample gas.......... why aren't Terrans using Ghosts anymore?? +5 archons there would be rendered useless, and you can't invest that gas elsewhere. Odd meta shift..... cannot understand.
On June 30 2012 10:33 Slardar wrote: Polt without any Ghosts and ample gas.......... why aren't Terrans using Ghosts anymore?? +5 archons there would be rendered useless, and you can't invest that gas elsewhere. Odd meta shift..... cannot understand.
Ghost are 200/100 dude. If you have lots of gas, it don't mean you can make Ghost easily.
Still having 1-2 less marauders and 1-2 more ghosts would have helped him a ton! All those archons were clumped the entire time, 1 emp and they would have melted... I mean polt was still way behind with losing his third while squirtle took his 4th. but it could've been a better engagement for him.
I think TSL is noob team. Their team has only medium zerg player and other races is not good. They deserve to get out of tournament. Because of this patch, TSL is looking good. However, if the patch is changed, TSL team will be very bad tema like before
I left and Squirtle had just come in to play and I was sure that Startale was gonna get trashed again. I come back to see the results and Squirtle, like a true Blastoise destroyed everyone! Squirtle fighting!
On June 30 2012 10:54 Zerofinal wrote: I think TSL is noob team. Their team has only medium zerg player and other races is not good. They deserve to get out of tournament. Because of this patch, TSL is looking good. However, if the patch is changed, TSL team will be very bad tema like before
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Hmmmm so Polt is a terrible newb? I somehow doubt that to be reality and seeing as how Koreans have pretty much figured out the queen upgrade it's becoming less and less of a big deal so you're really wrong on both your arguments. Next time before posting and disappointing people with the lack of knowledge do some research on the subject you're talking about so you a) don't wind up having your foot in your mouth and b) don't get a warning or ban or what ever it is you got . Though gratz to ST and Squirtle on the amazing series :D
Wow my power went out right after Revival beat Curious, so I thought TSL had it. GG squirtle really surprised me. I really wish I could have seen the games though
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