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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2941
The brilliant part was the holding of the third, not the final battle imo
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 18:50:47
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2942
On August 12 2012 03:45 kaokentake wrote:
any high master terran/toss players here kinda not as "awestruck" as everyone else in this thread?


first of all... wtf... if the toss simply a-moved in the final battle he would have won considering 30 extra zealots from his massive bank would warpin and join the fight soon... he backed off as vikings sniped collossi... wtf...

i mean taeja is the best but im not as "omg omg giddly" as everyone here im mostly just thinking wtf how can a toss player be so clueless he spent 2000 minerals in cannons right before the final battle then runs away when a-moving and warping in zealots would have let him win

taeja is impressive im not talking him down... just sayin that last game was no reason to drop your jaws


If you wanna get all "who has the better rank is right" I'm sure Younghwa is more than High Master.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2943
On August 12 2012 03:49 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I think Taeja is finally good enough to have that effect on people where his opponent get scared shitless when they play him so he has a double advantage.


this.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2944
On August 12 2012 03:47 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:41 SeeKeR wrote:
Guys

It was not TaeJa who won that game

It was YongHwa who choked hard and threw

Please stop praising TaeJa so much. I love TaeJa too but that wasn't his victory


This is unfair to say. Yes YongHwa choked, but he didn't choke through his own will. He choked because Taeja MADE him choke.

When Taeja was about to lose his third, he managed to delay like a god. Like, positioning vikings so Young would have to move back for a couple seconds, than moving marines/maruders forward, lifting his cc to threaten a huge push, like Taeja managed to force so many moments where his opponets can make mistakes.


Yes Youngwha choked, but don't take credit away from Taeja. Taeja did exactly everything he needed to to win that game.


To be honest the positioning on his vikings is exactly what was bad about TaeJa's positioning at the 3rd base. He can park them on the cliff and Colossi won't do shit, but instead he parked them in open field where they can be killed or attacked at least.

YongHwa choked so hard, its unbelievable. Losing 2 colossi against a nearly all marine/marauder force with no ghosts, he could have a-moved and at least let the colossi deal their damage before dying. Warping in 20+ zealots or at least having 4-5 templar as backup or as transition would have been the correct choice.

TaeJa was very patient and his army control superb, but I would also say, YongHwa choked so hard that it was completely his loss.
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xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2945
Holy shit, when will people stop playing bad vs TaeJa...
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
August 11 2012 18:50 GMT
#2946
ipl face off = tac finals, who knew :D

is score 2-1 so far?
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2947
Gross comments coming out in this thread.
Bjoernzor
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden159 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2948
On August 12 2012 03:48 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

That's why SC2 is terrible

Away with ye!
"There is nothing cooler than being passionate about the things you love" - Day9
Ucs
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2949
If IM loses first best of 9, do they play a second best of 9?
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2950
On August 12 2012 03:48 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

That's why SC2 is terrible


SC2 is terrible because YongHwa failed to transition to HTs in time? Or because YongHwa waited too long to attack thereby nullifying any advantage? Or is it because he lost 2 colossi for free before eventually being forced to engage?

How is any of the above the reason that SC2 is terrible? Some people -.-
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2951
Doa, without a doubt, least I think it's mostly universally accepted that this map is not very good for Z. It's very hard to take a fourth compared to other maps.
"Right on" - Morrow
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2952
On August 12 2012 03:50 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:49 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I think Taeja is finally good enough to have that effect on people where his opponent get scared shitless when they play him so he has a double advantage.


this.

is hagiographic bullshit
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2953
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2954
On August 12 2012 03:51 Ucs wrote:
If IM loses first best of 9, do they play a second best of 9?


yep
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2955
Taeja's overall win rate for the past 30 days is 77%... holy shit.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2956
On August 12 2012 03:47 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:45 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....


Once you get a lead, you need to capatilise on it. YongHwa did not and lost. He got to many colossi was traded out without having storm to thin out the terran ball.


The problem was the storm transition He had a small window to attack the third after which the deadspace meant that he would lose his collosi and with that his army would be traded with minimal damage besides mining time lost. He should have taken 2 bases in the time or had other tech going while he pressured there.


Not having enough storms to chain them is a huge problem vs a maxed terran. This is why most protoss only go up to three colossi. 5 will get you a huge lead for a time, but the terran will just crush them down with way to many vikings. Using the vikings to focus down the nexus was really good too. It allowed Taeja to focus on holding the warp ins off.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2957

On August 12 2012 03:41 SeeKeR wrote:
Guys

It was not TaeJa who won that game

It was YongHwa who choked hard and threw

Please stop praising TaeJa so much. I love TaeJa too but that wasn't his victory

I will praise the guy who can tell by a split second when he has the advantage over the guy who has a timing serves his army on a silver platter and then looses his colossi and quickly the game any day.

Because a real pro knows exactly when he can end the game in standard scenarios, TaeJa did, Yonghwa didn't.

If you wanna rag down on the defeated rather than praise the victor, go ahead but you're pulling attention away from the good what happened and focus on the bad that happend, it's kinda sad to see
In the woods, there lurks..
Doomwish
Profile Joined July 2011
438 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2958
i hate how sc2 always comes down to 1 big battle and if you lose you are done. like 9 macro games out of 10, even if one player takes small leads all game if he loses one fight hes done. especially PvT
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9991 Posts
August 11 2012 18:51 GMT
#2959
On August 12 2012 03:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:48 mambar wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

That's why SC2 is terrible


SC2 is terrible because YongHwa failed to transition to HTs in time? Or because YongHwa waited too long to attack thereby nullifying any advantage? Or is it because he lost 2 colossi for free before eventually being forced to engage?

How is any of the above the reason that SC2 is terrible? Some people -.-


Its terrible because protoss average winrate vs T and Z isn't 100%.
Duh
RIP Meatloaf <3
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 11 2012 18:52 GMT
#2960
On August 12 2012 03:47 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:45 kaokentake wrote:
any high master terran/toss players here kinda not as "awestruck" as everyone else in this thread?


first of all... wtf... if the toss simply a-moved in the final battle he would have won considering 30 extra zealots from his massive bank would warpin and join the fight soon... he backed off as vikings sniped collossi... wtf...

i mean taeja is the best but im not as "omg omg giddly" as everyone here im mostly just thinking wtf how can a toss player be so clueless he spent 2000 minerals in cannons right before the final battle then runs away when a-moving and warping in zealots would have let him win

taeja is impressive im not talking him down... just sayin that last game was no reason to drop your jaws

it always take mistakes from the opponent to make a comeback happen. lets be happy is like "yeah taeja" and not like "boohh yongwha so bad"


I do think that apart from the few mistakes, YongHwa played quite perfeclty in the early game, until the nice pressure on Taeja's Third allowing him to get ahead and take a 4th while denying Taeja's mining. Until then, his only error (well, if you call that an error) was to turn back with his colossi when taeja salvaged the bunkers. He could have end up winning quite easily.

Imo YongHwa played very well, but made a few errors, allowing Taeja to come back (well, not giving the game though, it tooks Taeja great skill to do this).
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