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ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
August 11 2012 18:53 GMT
#2981
On August 12 2012 03:52 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?


Nah, not even close yet.



Taeja shows the potential to be it though.
Just needs to step up in GSL.

But still like you said, not even close.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2982
On August 12 2012 03:51 Doomwish wrote:
i hate how sc2 always comes down to 1 big battle and if you lose you are done. like 9 macro games out of 10, even if one player takes small leads all game if he loses one fight hes done. especially PvT
you were watching right?
They maintained tension on one position for like 10 minutes, how that game was 'one big battle' is a mystery to me.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2983
On August 12 2012 03:48 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

That's why SC2 is terrible


for someone paying so much attention, your conclusions are pretty fucking awful. in tvp the units that actually matter cannot be replaced after a max in time to get back. knowing this at a 5k ish resource bank, things toss needs to do, drops to cripple the other guys econ, not just 1 where they units afk attack the barracks.

sack workers because duh

add additional robos, 5k resources to warp in stalkers isnt gonna cut it.

the list goes on and on, yongwha got to max and then didnt know what to do, 16 gates on 4 base max isnt enough and his upgrades, due to his build choice, werent good.

there was so much wrong with how he played out the end of the game, now taeja made mistakes too but sc2 isnt a shit game because you dont like thinking about things beyond "hurr durr stimmed marauders killed stuff"
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2984
On August 12 2012 03:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:52 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?


Well, Taeja didn't even win that many tournaments. -_-"


Yeah, MVP is more of a bonjwa than Taeja.

MVP may be remembered as the first bonjwa
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2985
On August 12 2012 03:52 AgentChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?

ask that again when either of them win a gsl


I think you mean 4 straight GSLs, and a myriad of other high profile tournaments.

But yes.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2986
On August 12 2012 03:50 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.


LOL

That's got to be the biggest simplification of any game, ever.

TaeJa has incredible decision making, something that is just as quantifiable to the observer and as important as macro or micro.

I know you're disappointed that your favorite team is getting their ass handed to them by a 17 year old, but don't try to oversimplify and thereby discredit great play like that.



Wowowowow..... Yonghwa could have done the LOLOOLLO A-move. But his decision making caused him to go back and let TaeJa recuperate. Watch the damn game. That game was not in TaeJa's hands.
The Bomber boy
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2987
On August 12 2012 03:53 TheMenace wrote:
The breaks are just too long.


Funny because their website said the Team League stuff should be done by 3PM PST. We've had 3 games so far and It's taken 2 and a half hours. If TL takes the first set... this is going all night.
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33662 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2988
This potato salad I got is awful, definitely not german
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2989
On August 12 2012 03:53 TheMenace wrote:
The breaks are just too long.

I have to agree with that statement!
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
August 11 2012 18:54 GMT
#2990
On August 12 2012 03:53 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:52 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?


Well, Taeja didn't even win that many tournaments. -_-"


Yeah, MVP is more of a bonjwa than Taeja.


but taeja is dominating since 2 months in every tourney, league
yo
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2991
On August 12 2012 03:53 NanowaX wrote:
nice taeja, but a voice deep inside me says these incredible things should be happen with the name marineking under it : ( it was supposed to be his year, his hype, 1 player but anyways kepp it up taeja


Every player has his up and down. It all about who will make the most out of it in his prime.
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2992
On August 12 2012 03:53 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:52 AgentChaos wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?

ask that again when either of them win a gsl

or 3. Within a year.


Can't wait for Taeja to magically face stomp the next 4 GSLs in a row///...///
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2993
On August 12 2012 03:54 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:53 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:52 Wildmoon wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:
Taeja or flash the first bonjwa of SC2?


Well, Taeja didn't even win that many tournaments. -_-"


Yeah, MVP is more of a bonjwa than Taeja.


but taeja is dominating since 2 months in every tourney, league


you act like that's never happened with another player before
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2994
On August 12 2012 03:53 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:45 kaokentake wrote:
any high master terran/toss players here kinda not as "awestruck" as everyone else in this thread?


first of all... wtf... if the toss simply a-moved in the final battle he would have won considering 30 extra zealots from his massive bank would warpin and join the fight soon... he backed off as vikings sniped collossi... wtf...

i mean taeja is the best but im not as "omg omg giddly" as everyone here im mostly just thinking wtf how can a toss player be so clueless he spent 2000 minerals in cannons right before the final battle then runs away when a-moving and warping in zealots would have let him win

taeja is impressive im not talking him down... just sayin that last game was no reason to drop your jaws


Taeja has a better version of the HuK factor. Whenever a player has a winning position against him, they inexplicably drop the ball.


weirdest thought.... Taeja is like the combination of the best parts of Stephano and Huk... @_@

nonsensical explanation: ridiculous fortune and seemingly instinctive understanding of the game, amazing positioning with occasionally sloppy macro, balls of steel...


I don't see much or Stephano or HuK in Taeja. He reminds me more of Nony, to be honest.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2995
IM (as QIM) did get AKed in the first Bo9 in the TAC 1 finals, then they proceeded to win. Would be crazy if it happened again xD
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2996
On August 12 2012 03:54 Waxangel wrote:
This potato salad I got is awful, definitely not german


Call the sponsors.
The Bomber boy
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2997
On August 12 2012 03:54 Waxangel wrote:
This potato salad I got is awful, definitely not german


Not german, usually means it's good potato salad though
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 18:55:56
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2998
attention, I am now banning instances of bonjwa talk, because it's the stupidest thing ever
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#2999
On August 12 2012 03:54 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 03:48 mambar wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:46 Yonnua wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 12 2012 03:40 Yonnua wrote:
Massively disappointing game. YongHwa with the strategy, the massive macro, the enormous punishment of Taeja's economy. Taeja with the turtle in to stim a move. Taeja wins....

wtf?
Taeja microed his army perfectly the entire game.


Vikings on hold position either above bunkers or above dead space. Repeatedly stims when they aren't actually engaging and when he doesn't have enough medivacs to recover the health. Sits army behind his third base. None of those things are "perfect" micro. The only impressive micro he did all game was the marauder lift at the end and that was pretty much just showboating.

The game was massively disappointing because the player who was ahead all game suddenly ended up not ahead because the other guy attacked in to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

That's why SC2 is terrible


for someone paying so much attention, your conclusions are pretty fucking awful. in tvp the units that actually matter cannot be replaced after a max in time to get back. knowing this at a 5k ish resource bank, things toss needs to do, drops to cripple the other guys econ, not just 1 where they units afk attack the barracks.

sack workers because duh

add additional robos, 5k resources to warp in stalkers isnt gonna cut it.

the list goes on and on, yongwha got to max and then didnt know what to do, 16 gates on 4 base max isnt enough and his upgrades, due to his build choice, werent good.

there was so much wrong with how he played out the end of the game, now taeja made mistakes too but sc2 isnt a shit game because you dont like thinking about things beyond "hurr durr stimmed marauders killed stuff"

oh ok thanks for clarifying my position
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 11 2012 18:55 GMT
#3000
The funny thing about watching Losira play ZvT is that he always plays so ridiciously safe. I remember when he used to 10 drone scout + 14 hatch 14 pool during the era of 15 hatch (16-17 pool).

I don't know if he's honestly scared of early game barracks plays, or if he's that confident in his zvt late game.
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