EPTDreamhack Summer [Day 2] - Page 312
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
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Haiku-Fr
France7 Posts
When playing a Bo3, the players stop as soon as a player win 2 maps. This is because it does not make sense to play the last round as it will not count toward the match victory anyway. This is just wasted time to determine the winner of this match. But if you resolve ties using the map result, the you MUST play every maps until the end. Maybe a player who lost the first 2 maps will get the third, and score a 1-2 result. If you are not doing this, you are just saying that winning the second map is better that winning the third, which don't sound pretty logical to me. A map is a map. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:30 AxionSteel wrote: You've already got the excuses piled up don't you. Anytime Stephano wins vs a top Korean it's just because they played really bad  People overrate stephano, but you, like Aeroplaneoverthesea just hate foreign players  I don't understand why you think you can act like you know me. Players play bad sometime, sc2 is a random ass game. I call a lot of things bad play because I watch so much starcraft that I know what good play looks like and I have very high standards. Its easy to tell when a player is playing bad or when they are playing exceptionally well in my eyes. I didn't watch all of yesterday but even some of those games I don't think Hero was playing very well and if his opponents were better he definitely would have lost. And I like some foreigners a great deal, but for foreign players it comes down to personality a lot of the time because in general they just get overhyped when it comes to their play. I used to always cheer for foreigners in GSL but they always disappointed so I just gave up on them, that was a year ago. Still a big fan of all of the liquid guys and some others though. On June 18 2012 16:45 polyphonyEX wrote: ^ I can tell that you're a fan of liquid I don't think those predictions were too crazy. I don't see Naniwa taking out Dimaga though and there is pretty much no chance in hell that Ret beats Hero. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:45 Hall0wed wrote: I don't understand why you think you can act like you know me. Players play bad sometime, sc2 is a random ass game. I call a lot of things bad play because I watch so much starcraft that I know what good play looks like and I have very high standards. Its easy to tell when a player is playing bad or when they are playing exceptionally well in my eyes. I didn't watch all of yesterday but even some of those games I don't think Hero was playing very well and if his opponents were better he definitely would have lost. And I like some foreigners a great deal, but for foreign players it comes down to personality a lot of the time because in general they just get overhyped when it comes to their play. I used to always cheer for foreigners in GSL but they always disappointed so I just gave up on them, that was a year ago. Still a big fan of all of the liquid guys and some others though. I don't think those predictions were too crazy. I don't see Naniwa taking out Dimaga though and there is pretty much no chance in hell that Ret beats Hero. You're acting as if playing well or not is unrelated to the opponent a player is facing. When stephano beat parting 2-0, squirtle 4-1 or MC 2-0 (or huk yesterday), his opponents looked bad. But the common factor is stephano.. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:02 m0ck wrote: You're acting as if playing well or not is unrelated to the opponent a player is facing. When stephano beat parting 2-0, squirtle 4-1 or MC 2-0 (or huk yesterday), his opponents looked bad. But the common factor is stephano.. Thats not true because I thought Parting and Squirtle played pretty meh the entire weekend, or atleast from what I saw because I was busy that weekend so I didn't catch every game. And I don't know why you mentioned MC because MC usually beats Stephano. -_-;; | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Same for stephano, its something he does (or doenst do) that makes his opponents play really shaky and weird. All props to stephano | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:06 Hall0wed wrote: Thats not true because I thought Parting and Squirtle played pretty meh the entire weekend, or atleast from what I saw because I was busy that weekend so I didn't catch every game. And I don't know why you mentioned MC because MC usually beats Stephano. -_-;; What? Parting and Squirtle played brilliant that tournament. Both of them destroyed Ret like it was nothing in the group stage. Squirtle also dominated Violet in the playoffs | ||
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Skyline026
Netherlands1129 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:40 michielbrands wrote: My Guesses for today: M|Stephano [2 : 1] MyM.MvP.Keen Acer.Nerchio [2 : 0] ROX.KIS.BratOK Liquid'HerO [2 : 1] Liquid'Taeja Mouz.MaNa [1 : 2] Ai.Cytoplasm Quantic.NaNiWa [2 : 0] ROX.KIS.sLivko mTw.Dimaga [2 : 0] Fightline'Protosser Quantic.SaSe [1 : 2] Liquid'ret ROX.KIS.fraer [1 : 2] mCon.Harstem M|Stephano [1 : 2] Acer.Nerchio Liquid'HerO [2 : 0] Ai.Cytoplasm Quantic.NaNiWa [2:1] mTw.Dimaga Liquid'ret [2 : 0] mCon.Harstem Liquid'HerO [2 : 1] Acer.Nerchio Quantic.NaNiWa [1 : 2] Liquid'ret Liquid'HerO [2 : 3] Liquid'ret Should this happen alcoholic beverages shall be consumed. Retje fighting! | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:06 Hall0wed wrote: Thats not true because I thought Parting and Squirtle played pretty meh the entire weekend, or atleast from what I saw because I was busy that weekend so I didn't catch every game. And I don't know why you mentioned MC because MC usually beats Stephano. -_-;; Okay, let's say you are right and stephano caught his opponents when they were out of shape. Are you ready to give him the same leeway? He isn't playing particularly well at the moment after being on the road for more than a month. If hero beats stephano, is that a reflection of stephanos level of skill or his form? You see what I'm getting at. My charge is that your reasoning goes something like this: When stephano loses, it is because he's overrated and "has been found out". When his (Korean) opponents lose, it is because they aren't playing well (although they are capable of much more). | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
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Dgotto
Russian Federation210 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:16 m0ck wrote: Okay, let's say you are right and stephano caught his opponents when they were out of shape. Are you ready to give shim the same leeway? He isn't playing particularly well at the moment after being on the road for more than a month. If hero beats stephano, is that a reflection of stephanos level of skill or his form? You see what I'm getting at. My charge is that your reasoning goes something like this: When stephano loses, it is because he's overrated and "has been found out". When his (Korean) opponents lose, it is because they aren't playing well (although they are capable of much more). I guess I'll have to wait and see the games. I don't think Stephano is bad at all, I just don't like his personality or his fanboys. But what I expect to happen if Stephano and Hero play is that Stephano will do his normal stuff and Hero will bounce around everywhere and slowly dismantle Stephano just like every other game between them that I've seen (besides Blizz cup, but Hero truly did play horribly in every single game that day and the very next day he 4-0'd Stephano on stream). In that case I would say they both played well and Hero outplayed Stephano. If Stephano does stupid random all-ins or other crap like going mutas and losing a basetrade then I'd likely say Stephano played bad. If Hero does some dumb openers then I would just say thats bad play. There are way too many little things that I look at in games so its impossible for me to tell you right now if I think someone might play bad. Like I already said I have high standards of "good" play so its silly to get worked up over whether or not I think someone plays well. -_- | ||
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Avicularia
540 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:18 Elean wrote: This ro16 bracket is so unbalanced, the upper half is so much stronger. Naniwa should get in the final... Yea, all 3 koreans, Stephano and Nerchio. The lower half is onlt Naniwa that didn't play that well:p Also poor Mana, at the start he needs to play vs Zerg, and later (if he wins) vs good korean. | ||
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aTo
Austria588 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:27 Dgotto wrote: In bracket bo3 or bo5 ? all bo3 and final bo5 | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
hero vs taeja teamkill already? TvP is Taeja's weakest matchup... I don't wanna see him go But I hope Hero can keep up his form and... well, not lose anything, hold off 4gates with 2 gates, hallucinate a million prisms to distract from the real ones, vortex motherships and archon toilet colossi, storm drop in pvp, .......... I love that kid. | ||
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Hassan_RO
Romania77 Posts
If HuK was on that good form, then he shouldn't have dropped a map to Morrow, the last out of the group. Or he should have crushed Slivko 2-0 if he could. Or he should have taken at least a map off Stephano, it was all in his hands. I think the GSL system is more flawed than this, because you can avoid a certain opponent which you might lose to (a lot of examples were given in this thread already). Of course it's a bit iffy that some matches end at 2-0 without playing map 3 and others end at 2-1 after 1-1, but it's up to you as a player to make that 2-0 happen and not depend on anything else. Regarding the brackets today, as everyone said the upper half is severely more loaded with good players than the lower half. It could be a completely random draw, but i also adhere to other people's suspicions that the organizers at DH wanted us to avoid a KR vs KR final.....anyway, throwing out some predictions for today: M|Stephano [1 : 2] MyM.MvP.Keen Acer.Nerchio [2 : 0] ROX.KIS.BratOK Liquid'HerO [2 : 0] Liquid'Taeja Mouz.MaNa [2 : 0] Ai.Cytoplasm Quantic.NaNiWa [2 : 0] ROX.KIS.sLivko mTw.Dimaga [2 : 0] Fightline'Protosser Quantic.SaSe [2 : 1] Liquid'ret ROX.KIS.fraer [2 : 0] mCon.Harstem After RO16, it depends a lot on players' form and matchups, so we'll see how it goes | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
On June 18 2012 17:14 Skyline026 wrote: Should this happen alcoholic beverages shall be consumed. Retje fighting! If netherlands cant win a match at euro, at least Ret should win the DH | ||
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bikefrog
Norway451 Posts
 Stephano 2 - 0  KeenNerchio 1 - 2 BRAT_OK HerO 0 - 2 TaeJaMaNa 1 - 2 CytoplasmNaNiwa 0 - 2 sLivkoDIMAGA 2 - 1 ProtosserSaSe 2 - 1 RetFraer 2 - 0 HarstemStephano 2 - 1 BRAT_OKTaeJa 2 - 0 CytoplasmsLivko 2 - 1 DIMAGASaSe 1 - 2 FraerStephano 2 - 1 TaeJasLivko 1 - 2 FraerStephano 3 - 1 FraerGonna be a good day, my friends! Edit: Nerchio v Brat_OK is pretty much 50/50. If Nerchio wins that, I think he will also beat Stephano, and then the top of the bracket will look quite different. | ||
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