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On June 18 2012 08:49 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill.
What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
It's an open. Not many Koreans actually attended.
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On June 18 2012 08:49 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill.
What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
wat... anyone is free to attend and play in dreamhack, be it you, me or MVP.
On June 18 2012 08:51 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Hero just always ends up with teamkills. Dreamhack Winter he had to eliminate Sheth and Ret, this time he went through Ret and now needs to beat Taeja and in several MLG he was matched vs Sheth if I recall correctly. Atleast one Liquid member is 100% in RO8.
Generally the upper side of the bracket is looking very scary, I am excited how it will turn out, Keen vs Stephano will be interesting.
just a side effect of TL being amazing
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On June 18 2012 08:49 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:47 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in! Win/Win for e-sports. Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports. I dont believe this much of a coincidence. Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them. Wait wut? Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans. How is this a horrible road? Nani has to play his worst MU two times in a row, Sase one time. And even if they had an easier road, they would have deserved it by actually winning their groups, unlike Taeja and keen.
How did these brackets came to be?
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On June 18 2012 08:51 Warpish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:42 Chenz wrote:
Tbh the odds of 3 players out of 16 being placed at the same half of the bracket aren't that small that some of you seem to think it is. That's right it's about 13,33%. If TaeJa had won his group yhis would never happen. It sad for Liquid but it happens. There are another coincidencies. Both polish players are on the same side of the bracket and the same happened to the Dutch and Ukrainian players. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
+1 Math is shown and expamples of other misfortunes given. i hope all conspiracy people will read this
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wow none of EG players made it into playoff, while Liquid has three guys in top 16
DIMAGA FTW
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On June 18 2012 08:48 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:46 JayJay_90 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...
I highly doubt it, but whatever. Because a random draw prevents match fixing. Is that really that hard to figure out? -.- yea, there has been a lot of match fixings in MLG, its very easy to figure out tho.
Are you trying to be sarcastic here?
Forgive me if you are, but are you really this daft?
MLG groups lead into brackets, every player "advances". There is always a MUCH larger advantage of placing high in your group than to avoid a potential opponent.
In "proper" groups that distribute players flatly into a bracket players will actively avoid strong opponents if they can, they will also try to avoid team kills.
This means intentionally losing matches.
Edit: removed caps
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Am I reading the brackets right did Huk just get eliminated? 
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On June 18 2012 08:47 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in! Win/Win for e-sports. Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports. I dont believe this much of a coincidence. Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them. Wait wut? Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans. How is this a horrible road?
NaNiwa is terrible at PvZ. I'm already counting him out tbh. Cytoplasm will get destroyed by the winnier of HerO v TaeJa and SaSe is a PvT specialist without a single Terran in his path. I'm confident sLivko/DIMAGA or Fraer will take him out.
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On June 18 2012 08:52 Renfield wrote:Am I reading the brackets right did Huk just get eliminated?
That's right.
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The Dutch people should complain about using this exact same format for the European Football Championships 
Damn you RNG and your grabbing name out of the hat technique
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On June 18 2012 08:49 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill.
What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
Koreans think of the US more highly than the EU, for historical reasons. An EU tournament will have a lot less draw for them compared to MLG and the like, while us "foreigners" don't necessarily make the distinction.
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On June 18 2012 08:51 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Hero just always ends up with teamkills. Dreamhack Winter he had to eliminate Sheth and Ret, this time he went through Ret and now needs to beat Taeja and in several MLG he was matched vs Sheth if I recall correctly. Atleast one Liquid member is 100% in RO8.
Generally the upper side of the bracket is looking very scary, I am excited how it will turn out, Keen vs Stephano will be interesting.
That's the downside of having a good team. 
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On June 18 2012 08:47 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:40 TheBanana wrote:On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated... Because the GSL-group system is unfair. Example. Player A is God and beats everyone. Player B is horrible and loses to everyone. Player C and Player D are exactly the same. C and D goes 1-1 (2-1, 1-2) against each other. The guy drawing player B advances and never faces player A. That is not the way it would work: A wins vs B C wins vs D A wins vs C and A advances D wins vs B and B drops out C and D have a rematch that decides who goes on. Neither of them have an advantage. A still gets out, B still drops out. In what kind of scenario would A being God and B being terrible give an unfair advantage? You have to win twice to get out, no matter what. You have to lose twice to drop out, no matter what.
A vs B 2-0
C vs D 2-0
A vs C 2-0
D vs B 2-0
C vs D 1-2
How is this not unfair for C?
He went 1-1 against D and actually beat him 3-2, still goes out because he didn't get the free win vs B.
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On June 18 2012 08:53 Mackus wrote:The Dutch people should complain about using this exact same format for the European Football Championships Damn you RNG and your grabbing name out of the hat technique
Nah we are completely fine with complaining about the players and coach, thanks.
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On June 18 2012 08:51 Kkxtrouble wrote:
HerO and TaeJa team kill makes me sad.=(
yup, me 2
At least Ret is on the other side of the bracket, so Hero/Taeja vs Ret in the final
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I think all the terrans will fall this round...
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On June 18 2012 08:45 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:44 rasnj wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...
I highly doubt it, but whatever. What do you doubt? Do you think they intentionally arranged a shitty bracket and claimed that it was random? Why the hell would they do that. This bracket is so bad they I wouldn't have been surprised if they secretly rerolled it before making it public. Nani and stephano are likely to go out quickly, and they are likely the fan favorites. Why would DH do such a thing on purpose? if there are 2 koreans in the final like last time, that would hurt the viewership, Am i wrong ? last time, a bunch of EG was in the same group, what kind of luck was that
Yes 2 koreans in the finals wouldn't be ideal, but that is pretty much the only thing this bracket has going for it. In addition hero is enough of a fan favorite that he would draw at least as many people as most of the foreigners, so they wouldn't mind him in the finals. In fact I think the koreans left are preferable in terms of fan attraction to cytoplasm, slivko, protosser, mana, harstem, fraer, brat_ok. Many of these foreigners are not very well-known, and even strong players like slivko do not have many fans, especially outside Europe. The bottom part of the bracket may not produce a korean, but it may very well result in fraer or slivko who I don't see as more popular than any of the koreans.
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On June 18 2012 08:52 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:51 Warpish wrote:On June 18 2012 08:42 Chenz wrote:
Tbh the odds of 3 players out of 16 being placed at the same half of the bracket aren't that small that some of you seem to think it is. That's right it's about 13,33%. If TaeJa had won his group yhis would never happen. It sad for Liquid but it happens. There are another coincidencies. Both polish players are on the same side of the bracket and the same happened to the Dutch and Ukrainian players. Stop with the conspiracy theories. +1 Math is shown and expamples of other misfortunes given. i hope all conspiracy people will read this
..or that's what they want you to think! Even math and logic is a part of this rigging, DreamHack planned this well...+ Show Spoiler +
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Oh no, the only blond players are in the bottom side of the bracket! Seriously people get a hold of yourselves!
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On June 18 2012 08:44 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:39 TheDougler wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system It's a great system. It always sucks to lose. It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series. In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily. In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated. You're making zero sense Could you explain to me what you don't understand? In this system, you can't afford to metagame your opponent. Your strategy will be the same regardless of your position in the series. In GSL, and (I believe, though could be wrong, MLG where it's heads up, then map score) this is not the case. Therefore there is less strategy in the dreamhack system, therefore it is inferior. Why do you disagree? More metagaming = more gambling, less comparison of actual skill.
That depends on your definition of skill I suppose. As SC2 is a strategy game in my opinion there's actually more skill involved this way, rather than a game composed of more very safe builds that more or less just win after a certain amount of time. Plus, the threat of cheese keeps a lot of builds in check, which you don't get when you need to try your best to never lose even a single game.
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