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On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote: hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in! Win/Win for e-sports. Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports. I dont believe this much of a coincidence. Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them.
Wait wut?
Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans.
How is this a horrible road?
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Looks like Nerchio has a good chance to reach semis.
Stephano beating Keen, Nerchio beating BRAT_OK and Nerchio beating stephano seems the most likely to me.
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Talking about Koreans, Hero being...a fucking hero and going 18-0 in the tournament, jesus.
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On June 18 2012 08:46 Lizarb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote: I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated... You want every player to play against each other. I like the GSL format, but this DH 3x group stages are more fair I think.
yeah, people are forgetting that Huk dropped four maps in the round robin...Still, Huk did not play bad, but he did not win convincingly in his group.
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On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote: If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.
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A lot of people are complaining about the format. Which makes absolutely no sense. Every format has a big luck factor. The only thing you can do is have a round robin w/ every player in the same group. But then it just becomes a regular league that needs a year to finnish.
Do you guys also think that the Euro Cup has a bad format? Or almost any big sport event for that matter?
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On June 18 2012 08:46 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote: its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...
I highly doubt it, but whatever. Because a random draw prevents match fixing. Is that really that hard to figure out? -.- yea, there has been a lot of match fixings in MLG, its very easy to figure out tho.
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On June 18 2012 08:47 Integra wrote: Talking about Koreans, Hero being...a fucking hero and going 18-0 in the tournament, jesus.
I bet he'll reach finals.
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On June 18 2012 08:42 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:39 RaiKageRyu wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system  It's a great system. It always sucks to lose. It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series. In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily. In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated. You're making zero sense He's making perfect sense. He's just saying you can throw in a random build here and there in dual elim group system. You can still go 2-1 in matches as long as you win the bo3s...
Yes, and HuK did, so he was eliminated, that's pretty unfortunate. It's fair, I'm not arguing that, but it's a less interesting format in my opinion. I prefer the GSL system because you can play based on your position in the series.
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On June 18 2012 08:46 Sp00ly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:42 sansalvador wrote:On June 18 2012 08:40 Sp00ly wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Anonymous_Coward wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote: hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke Only two of those you mention managed to win their group. What do you want Dreamhack to do, intervene and set up the bracket based upon what they think will be better, and ignore the group stage? If they didn't want to be on the "stacked" side of the bracket, they should have won their group. Well if they had filled in the bracket in a different order it could be way more balanced whilst keeping the winner vs 2nd place set up. As it stands I'm going to call a HerO-Sase final. Yeah, let's let the brackets of sports events be filled by the president of the event, no potential for conspiracy here. Randomness is random. Results are weird sometimes, but it's hardly ever unfair. I didn't say let the president do it. I meant do it like winner of A vs loser of B etc. That is exactly how it is done. exchange the letters and it fits. Those letters stand for absolutley NOTHING. "a" may be next to "b" in the alphabet, but that is not true for these groups. Exchange the letters for colors, than you should be happy.
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On June 18 2012 08:47 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote: hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in! Win/Win for e-sports. Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports. I dont believe this much of a coincidence. Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them. Wait wut? Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans. How is this a horrible road?
Nani has to play his worst MU two times in a row, Sase one time. And even if they had an easier road, they would have deserved it by actually winning their groups, unlike Taeja and keen.
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Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill. What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
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On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote: If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.
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Yeah, and Naniwa getting placed in brackets with Zergs and Koreans? Ridiculously rigged for that other guy.
Wait, who were you talking about?
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On June 18 2012 08:48 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:46 JayJay_90 wrote:On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote: its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...
I highly doubt it, but whatever. Because a random draw prevents match fixing. Is that really that hard to figure out? -.- yea, there has been a lot of match fixings in MLG, its very easy to figure out tho.
Only the winners get out of MLG groups. Use your brain... if you can...
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On June 18 2012 08:42 Chenz wrote: Tbh the odds of 3 players out of 16 being placed at the same half of the bracket aren't that small that some of you seem to think it is.
That's right it's about 13,33%.
If TaeJa had won his group yhis would never happen. It sad for Liquid but it happens. There are another coincidencies. Both polish players are on the same side of the bracket and the same happened to the Dutch and Ukrainian players.
Stop with the conspiracy theories.
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On June 18 2012 08:48 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:42 monkybone wrote:On June 18 2012 08:39 RaiKageRyu wrote:On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system  It's a great system. It always sucks to lose. It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series. In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily. In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated. You're making zero sense He's making perfect sense. He's just saying you can throw in a random build here and there in dual elim group system. You can still go 2-1 in matches as long as you win the bo3s... Yes, and HuK did, so he was eliminated, that's pretty unfortunate. It's fair, I'm not arguing that, but it's a less interesting format in my opinion. I prefer the GSL system because you can play based on your position in the series. I prefer elephants to mice, but I can't put one in my house, because it's too big. GSL takes more time. DH does not have that time.
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HerO and TaeJa team kill makes me sad.=(
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Conspiracy theories sure are popular nowadays. The problem with a free medium like the internet I guess, you cant get rid of the crazy people.
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On June 18 2012 08:49 oRacLeGosu wrote: Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill. What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
GSL happened. In 9hours time - Code S group E is up with Ganzi/MC for instance.
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Hero just always ends up with teamkills. Dreamhack Winter he had to eliminate Sheth and Ret, this time he went through Ret and now needs to beat Taeja and in several MLG he was matched vs Sheth if I recall correctly. Atleast one Liquid member is 100% in RO8. Generally the upper side of the bracket is looking very scary, I am excited how it will turn out, Keen vs Stephano will be interesting.
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