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Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
June 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#5921
On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke


What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in!

Win/Win for e-sports.



Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports.


I dont believe this much of a coincidence.

Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them.



Wait wut?

Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans.

How is this a horrible road?
Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
June 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#5922
Looks like Nerchio has a good chance to reach semis.

Stephano beating Keen, Nerchio beating BRAT_OK and Nerchio beating stephano seems the most likely to me.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#5923
Talking about Koreans, Hero being...a fucking hero and going 18-0 in the tournament, jesus.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
June 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#5924
On June 18 2012 08:46 Lizarb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated...


You want every player to play against each other. I like the GSL format, but this DH 3x group stages are more fair I think.


yeah, people are forgetting that Huk dropped four maps in the round robin...Still, Huk did not play bad, but he did not win convincingly in his group.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
June 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#5925
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


Rofl, people are fucking crazy in this thread. Stephano gets them the most viewers period, why the hell would they devise some conspiracy to most likely get him eliminated and get less viewers and thus less $$. Grow up kiddies, random bracket is the most fair way and it won't always go the way you like it.
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
June 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#5926
A lot of people are complaining about the format. Which makes absolutely no sense. Every format has a big luck factor. The only thing you can do is have a round robin w/ every player in the same group. But then it just becomes a regular league that needs a year to finnish.

Do you guys also think that the Euro Cup has a bad format? Or almost any big sport event for that matter?
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
June 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#5927
On June 18 2012 08:46 JayJay_90 wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...

I highly doubt it, but whatever.

Because a random draw prevents match fixing. Is that really that hard to figure out? -.-

yea, there has been a lot of match fixings in MLG, its very easy to figure out tho.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#5928
On June 18 2012 08:47 Integra wrote:
Talking about Koreans, Hero being...a fucking hero and going 18-0 in the tournament, jesus.


I bet he'll reach finals.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
June 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#5929
On June 18 2012 08:42 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:39 RaiKageRyu wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:
Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system


It's a great system. It always sucks to lose.


It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series.

In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily.

In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated.

You're making zero sense


He's making perfect sense. He's just saying you can throw in a random build here and there in dual elim group system.


You can still go 2-1 in matches as long as you win the bo3s...


Yes, and HuK did, so he was eliminated, that's pretty unfortunate. It's fair, I'm not arguing that, but it's a less interesting format in my opinion. I prefer the GSL system because you can play based on your position in the series.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 17 2012 23:49 GMT
#5930
On June 18 2012 08:46 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:42 sansalvador wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:40 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:36 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke



Only two of those you mention managed to win their group. What do you want Dreamhack to do, intervene and set up the bracket based upon what they think will be better, and ignore the group stage?

If they didn't want to be on the "stacked" side of the bracket, they should have won their group.


Well if they had filled in the bracket in a different order it could be way more balanced whilst keeping the winner vs 2nd place set up.

As it stands I'm going to call a HerO-Sase final.

Yeah, let's let the brackets of sports events be filled by the president of the event, no potential for conspiracy here.



Randomness is random. Results are weird sometimes, but it's hardly ever unfair.


I didn't say let the president do it. I meant do it like winner of A vs loser of B etc.

That is exactly how it is done. exchange the letters and it fits. Those letters stand for absolutley NOTHING. "a" may be next to "b" in the alphabet, but that is not true for these groups.
Exchange the letters for colors, than you should be happy.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 17 2012 23:49 GMT
#5931
On June 18 2012 08:47 Skyline026 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:45 bikefrog wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:41 Skyline026 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:36 Korelle wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke


What's wrong with that? It guarantees a foreigner will be in the final. Which means a higher number of people will be tuning in!

Win/Win for e-sports.



Pushing lesser players towards are final because they are swedish is not a win for esports.


I dont believe this much of a coincidence.

Guess again, because the Swedes have horrible roads ahead of them.



Wait wut?

Both are avoiding Stephano and the left over Koreans.

How is this a horrible road?


Nani has to play his worst MU two times in a row, Sase one time. And even if they had an easier road, they would have deserved it by actually winning their groups, unlike Taeja and keen.
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
June 17 2012 23:49 GMT
#5932
Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill.
What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?
a.k.a. [iNF]cALLe - member of TL since around 2002..account dead.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
June 17 2012 23:50 GMT
#5933
On June 18 2012 08:45 Proseat wrote:
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


User was warned for this post


Yeah, and Naniwa getting placed in brackets with Zergs and Koreans? Ridiculously rigged for that other guy.

Wait, who were you talking about?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
June 17 2012 23:50 GMT
#5934
On June 18 2012 08:48 Lennient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:46 JayJay_90 wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...

I highly doubt it, but whatever.

Because a random draw prevents match fixing. Is that really that hard to figure out? -.-

yea, there has been a lot of match fixings in MLG, its very easy to figure out tho.


Only the winners get out of MLG groups. Use your brain... if you can...
Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5935
On June 18 2012 08:42 Chenz wrote:
Tbh the odds of 3 players out of 16 being placed at the same half of the bracket aren't that small that some of you seem to think it is.


That's right it's about 13,33%.

If TaeJa had won his group yhis would never happen. It sad for Liquid but it happens.
There are another coincidencies. Both polish players are on the same side of the bracket and the same happened to the Dutch and Ukrainian players.

Stop with the conspiracy theories.
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5936
On June 18 2012 08:48 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:42 monkybone wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:39 RaiKageRyu wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:
Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system


It's a great system. It always sucks to lose.


It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series.

In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily.

In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated.

You're making zero sense


He's making perfect sense. He's just saying you can throw in a random build here and there in dual elim group system.


You can still go 2-1 in matches as long as you win the bo3s...


Yes, and HuK did, so he was eliminated, that's pretty unfortunate. It's fair, I'm not arguing that, but it's a less interesting format in my opinion. I prefer the GSL system because you can play based on your position in the series.

I prefer elephants to mice, but I can't put one in my house, because it's too big. GSL takes more time. DH does not have that time.
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5937
HerO and TaeJa team kill makes me sad.=(
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
sekalf
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden522 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5938
Conspiracy theories sure are popular nowadays.
The problem with a free medium like the internet I guess, you cant get rid of the crazy people.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5939
On June 18 2012 08:49 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Where are the really good koreans in this tournament? Ofc there are a couple that would have a chance including Hero, but it seemes weard that a tournament like this does not have at least 5 tip top koreans from korean teams with korean skill.
What have I missed? Did they want Thorzain to repeat his win so much that they somehow went around the obvious top players?


GSL happened. In 9hours time - Code S group E is up with Ganzi/MC for instance.
월요 날 재미있
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
June 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#5940
Hero just always ends up with teamkills. Dreamhack Winter he had to eliminate Sheth and Ret, this time he went through Ret and now needs to beat Taeja and in several MLG he was matched vs Sheth if I recall correctly. Atleast one Liquid member is 100% in RO8.
Generally the upper side of the bracket is looking very scary, I am excited how it will turn out, Keen vs Stephano will be interesting.
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