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Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
June 17 2012 23:42 GMT
#5881
It would be great to see a swede in the final.

I think Sase has a big chance to be in the final. Nani is not gonna get past 2 zergs.

First part of the bracket is really hard to tell, it could go any way. Most likely gonna be Taeja/Hero/Stephano, but Stephano is like 80% out if he meets nerchio in ZvZ.
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 17 2012 23:42 GMT
#5882
On June 18 2012 08:40 Sp00ly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:36 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke



Only two of those you mention managed to win their group. What do you want Dreamhack to do, intervene and set up the bracket based upon what they think will be better, and ignore the group stage?

If they didn't want to be on the "stacked" side of the bracket, they should have won their group.


Well if they had filled in the bracket in a different order it could be way more balanced whilst keeping the winner vs 2nd place set up.

As it stands I'm going to call a HerO-Sase final.

Yeah, let's let the brackets of sports events be filled by the president of the event, no potential for conspiracy here.



Randomness is random. Results are weird sometimes, but it's hardly ever unfair.
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 17 2012 23:42 GMT
#5883
Tbh the odds of 3 players out of 16 being placed at the same half of the bracket aren't that small that some of you seem to think it is.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
June 17 2012 23:42 GMT
#5884
On June 18 2012 08:39 tree.hugger wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:32 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:31 Magashi wrote:
hero vs taeja first round. gg dreamhack



It's not Dreamhack's fault that Taeja couldn't win his group.

Would've been TaeJa vs Ret in that case. Teamkill was inevitable.

thats life, you will get fucked sometimes
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5885
Why are people so upset about groups theres only 1 winner, and Ret could still make it to finals with winner of taeja/hero. May the best player win IMO.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5886
On June 18 2012 08:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:40 polyphonyEX wrote:
my predictions:
stephano > keen
Nerchio > Bratok
Hero> Taeja
Cytoplsm > Mana
Naniwa> Slivka
dimaga> Protosser
Sase > ret
Harstem > Fraer

Stephano > Nerchio
Hero> Cytoplasm
Naniwa> dimaga
sase> frae

stephano > Hero
Sase > Naniwa

Sase > Stephano


This is laughable lmao.

You mad that your precious stephano lose?
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5887
On June 18 2012 08:40 polyphonyEX wrote:
my predictions:
stephano > keen
Nerchio > Bratok
Hero> Taeja
Cytoplsm > Mana
Naniwa> Slivka
dimaga> Protosser
Sase > ret
Harstem > Fraer

Stephano > Nerchio
Hero> Cytoplasm
Naniwa> dimaga
sase> frae

stephano > Hero
Sase > Naniwa

Sase > Stephano


Don't know what you are smoking with those two. Nerchio ZvZ is insane, Stephano ZvZ is pretty poor. Stephano PvZ is godly, and if he can beat Hero he can beat Sase.
Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5888
On June 18 2012 08:43 Ryps wrote:
Why are people so upset about groups theres only 1 winner, and Ret could still make it to finals with winner of taeja/hero. May the best player win IMO.


That would be awesome, a team liquid finals .
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5889
On June 18 2012 08:43 Ryps wrote:
Why are people so upset about groups theres only 1 winner, and Ret could still make it to finals with winner of taeja/hero. May the best player win IMO.

You have something many guys here don't.

Common sense.
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
June 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#5890
tough bracket for stephano. keen first, then zvz specialist nerchio, then most likely either taeja or hero
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5891
On June 18 2012 08:35 Hnnngg wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:31 00Visor wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:27 Hnnngg wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:25 Romitelli wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:23 TheShadower wrote:
Terrible situation for Huk.

You go 8-1 in your matches, only losing to Stephano, and you get eliminated. Dumb.


Close group, that's how it works, unfortunately. MLG's heads up system is a lot worse, imho.


Yep, losing to Stephano -> out of tournament is much better than MLG's system.

Obviously we can't do a bo100, but this is silly.


Funny that no one complains about single elimination tournies Bo3.
One tough draw, one lost series, you are out.

Groupstage is more fair, but these tiebreakers happen.


Where are the single elimination tournies bo3?

You should be more specific brah.

Harstem loses to Qxc, Bly, and Mana and gets to ro16.

Huk loses to Stephano and is out. I'd like to think that isn't fair.


Dreamhack will be Bo3 single elimination from now on (besides finals). TSL was Bo3 to start with, NASL in first season, GSL in open season. Tons of smaller events (Red Bull), Copenhagen have Bo3 stages.

I know cases like Harstem happen. Of course its not fair, that Huk is out and Harstem in. But a total fair system would be if everyone plays everyone, thats just not possible. Groupstage is still more fair than single elimination (where Huk could meet Stephano any time). Tie Breakers still happen.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 23:44:36
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5892
On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...

I highly doubt it, but whatever.

What do you doubt? Do you think they intentionally arranged a shitty bracket and claimed that it was random? Why the hell would they do that. This bracket is so bad that I wouldn't have been surprised if they secretly rerolled it before making it public.

Nani and stephano are likely to go out quickly, and they are likely the fan favorites. Why would DH do such a thing on purpose?
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5893
On June 18 2012 08:39 TheDougler wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:34 m0ck wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:32 TheDougler wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:25 disinfect wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:23 Crushinator wrote:
Ouch, Huk out despite going 2-1. That has to hurt, and is a very unfortunate thing about this system


It's a great system. It always sucks to lose.


It's not a great system it takes a lot of strategy out of each series.

In a GSL group, due to winner's and loser's matches, you can play way more mind games. Do you go for two standard games or do you cheese? If you're up 1-0 in your BO3 you can do a risky build to try to close it out easily.

In the dreamhack system you HAVE to try to 2-0 every match, 2-1 is (as we see right here) not an option. So people will do the build they feel most comfortable with. Remember Nestea's spine crawler rush that worked in GSL a few months ago? Or the failed one he tried earlier this week? Neither of those would EVER happen in this tournament because it's just not worth the risk of being eliminated.

You're making zero sense


Could you explain to me what you don't understand?

In this system, you can't afford to metagame your opponent. Your strategy will be the same regardless of your position in the series. In GSL, and (I believe, though could be wrong, MLG where it's heads up, then map score) this is not the case.

Therefore there is less strategy in the dreamhack system, therefore it is inferior. Why do you disagree?

More metagaming = more gambling, less comparison of actual skill.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5894
OMG both Ukrainians on one side of the bracket, what a joke.

Seriously, it's random, calm down.

Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5895
On June 18 2012 08:43 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:41 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:40 polyphonyEX wrote:
my predictions:
stephano > keen
Nerchio > Bratok
Hero> Taeja
Cytoplsm > Mana
Naniwa> Slivka
dimaga> Protosser
Sase > ret
Harstem > Fraer

Stephano > Nerchio
Hero> Cytoplasm
Naniwa> dimaga
sase> frae

stephano > Hero
Sase > Naniwa

Sase > Stephano


This is laughable lmao.

You mad that your precious stephano lose?


I'd say Stephano can't go to finals at all unless a miracle happens.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5896
On June 18 2012 08:41 Lennient wrote:
its funny that they draw this randomly, why wouldn't they just make A vs B, C vs D, etc...

I highly doubt it, but whatever.

because that way players will know who'll they play from the other group, which is stupid and makes for retarded situations like Stephano vs. Bratok Assembly 2011 I believe.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5897
these brackets are so good in my opinion. only taeja vs hero is shit. that's such a fucking shame.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
June 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#5898
On June 18 2012 08:39 Battousai13 wrote:
Bullshit Ro16 bracket. All Koreans on the same side of the bracket.

I thought people were complaining about too many Koreans winning everything? Honestly, there is no perfect way to do the playoffs bracket, there will be people QQing in every case.
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 17 2012 23:45 GMT
#5899
On June 18 2012 08:40 Kazeshini wrote:
when does the R16 starte today ?

12hr from now.

10hr sleep for me. Wake up watch GSL then Dreamhack :D
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 23:45:24
June 17 2012 23:45 GMT
#5900
If they actually draw the bracket randomly, I wish they'd not do it behind closed doors. This bracket smells fishy, too many "coincidences" for my taste. Liquid Koreans kill each other? Stephano versus the third Korean? Ret vs SaSe? Really looks like they "made" certain matchups "happen" to help a certain Swede on the way.


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