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ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5821
On June 18 2012 08:35 sansalvador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:33 Ammanas wrote:
I still don't understand why aren't all the tournaments with group stages using GSL format groups, rather than round robin. In that format it can never happen that player only loses once and is eliminated...

Because GSL is not a 3 day 128 player tournament. There is a reason GSL seasons take 2 months, not three days.

How is this an argument at all? GSL group stage format is always 5 matches, where as the other one is 5-6
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5822
Gonna cheer for SaSe, as always
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
emraaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany505 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5823
fraer vs steph finals ...
Sure as the dust that floats high and true, when movin through kashmir
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5824
On June 18 2012 08:36 flowSthead wrote:
I don't get this bracket. Why is it Group A vs Group B and Group E vs Group F, but Group C vs Group H and Group D vs Group G. For half of the bracket they used groups next to each other and for half of the bracket they didn't. That makes no sense.

It's being DRAWN
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5825
On June 18 2012 08:36 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
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On June 18 2012 08:34 OzVelas wrote:
hero keen taeja nerchio stephano are in the same bracket, what a joke



Only two of those you mention managed to win their group. What do you want Dreamhack to do, intervene and set up the bracket based upon what they think will be better, and ignore the group stage?

If they didn't want to be on the "stacked" side of the bracket, they should have won their group.


nerchio hero stephano = 3
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5826
On June 18 2012 08:33 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:32 Kieofire wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:29 CaptObvious wrote:
bracket for ro16 is already out
http://dhopen.binarybeast.com/xSC212060810


Wow...all the terrans left are on the same side of the bracket.

don't worry man
it will be equal in ro8
.........



I'm just amazed and glad to see three terrans making it through. Though I can't see any of them go in to the round of 8. And omg I'm gonna pray for Silivko and Ret tmrw to not let naniwa and sase through :D
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5827
Hero/Steph - Fraer finals
No carpal tunnel no skill
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5828
On June 18 2012 08:36 flowSthead wrote:
I don't get this bracket. Why is it Group A vs Group B and Group E vs Group F, but Group C vs Group H and Group D vs Group G. For half of the bracket they used groups next to each other and for half of the bracket they didn't. That makes no sense.


It's a random draw, which actually is the fairest way to do it.
xlord 5:0
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5829
On June 18 2012 08:37 emraaa wrote:
fraer vs steph finals ...


I doubt it. It looks very tough for stephano.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#5830
predictions:

Stephano>Keen
Nerchio>Brat-Ok
Hero>Taeja
Mana>Cytoplasm
Slivko>Naniwa
Dimaga>Protosser
Sase>Ret
Fraer>Harstem

Nerchio>Stephano
Hero>Mana
Slivko>Dimaga
Sase>Fraer

Hero>Nerchio
Sase>Slivko

Slivko>Nerchio

Hero>Sase
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Anonymous_Coward
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom1347 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5831
On June 18 2012 08:36 Skyline026 wrote:
Dreamhack trying to have atleast one of the quantic swedes make it to the finals.


These brackets are bullshit.



The bracket was decided in advance, winner of group x, plays runner up of group y, and so on.

Stop with your bullshit conspiracy theories, people.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5832
On June 18 2012 08:35 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:31 Hnnngg wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:28 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:27 Hnnngg wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:25 Romitelli wrote:
On June 18 2012 08:23 TheShadower wrote:
Terrible situation for Huk.

You go 8-1 in your matches, only losing to Stephano, and you get eliminated. Dumb.


Close group, that's how it works, unfortunately. MLG's heads up system is a lot worse, imho.


Yep, losing to Stephano -> out of tournament is much better than MLG's system.

Obviously we can't do a bo100, but this is silly.


How is that silly? Would you prefer slivko going out after winning against Stephano and barely losing against HuK?


I'm saying this isn't enough to get an accurate enough measurement of "worthiness" or "skill" to advance to ro16.

The difference between 2-1 and 2-0 is so negligible except in a situation like this where it's your tournament life on the line. SC2 gameplay is too high in variance for this to be acceptable.


What is wrong with fanboys these days? Jesus. Wtf else do you want? "Sc2 gameplay is too high variance" rofl, so DH has to solve this alleged problem how? Make everyone play a best of 99 to make sure the "variance" is minimized? Make them play a playoff at 1am in the morning, changing the rules everyone else lived with, cause you think its unfair your favorite is out? It's a weekend tournament, everyone plays by the same rules, just cause your favorite losses suddenly you whiners call it not fair.


I said a boXXX would be perfect for measurement and not perfect for time constraints, but this opposite end in terms of extremes doesn't make it good.

A middle ground should be preferred (like, you know, most the time).
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5833
cytoplasm vs frae finals, calling it now
Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5834
On June 18 2012 08:30 aruken wrote:
to people whining about this 'system' : suck it up it is called goal average. Only alternative is the gsl one in which basicly every group is a little double elimination bracket with winner of both winner and loser brackets advancing. But it is not fairer in any way. Suck it up.


Actually the GSL system is way better because it completly removes these kinds of situations. In the GSL groups it's always 100% clear who is going to advance and who is out. As a player you're also never reliant on another competitor, where as in these kind of groups that can happen. For instance, in this case sLivko got to play his last match vs an opponent who was already out, instead of facing Stephano who was also playing for a place in the top 16.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5835
Well. I hope Hero wins. Only slightly exciting player right now
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
waki
Profile Joined July 2011
58 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5836
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Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5837
sase v naniwa semifinal
Inhumane
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada145 Posts
June 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#5838
On June 18 2012 08:38 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 08:36 Skyline026 wrote:
Dreamhack trying to have atleast one of the quantic swedes make it to the finals.


These brackets are bullshit.



The bracket was decided in advance, winner of group x, plays runner up of group y, and so on.

Stop with your bullshit conspiracy theories, people.


Why is it A vs. B and E vs. F but not C vs. D and G vs. H?
sansalvador
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria308 Posts
June 17 2012 23:39 GMT
#5839
On June 18 2012 08:36 flowSthead wrote:
I don't get this bracket. Why is it Group A vs Group B and Group E vs Group F, but Group C vs Group H and Group D vs Group G. For half of the bracket they used groups next to each other and for half of the bracket they didn't. That makes no sense.

Because it doesn't matter at all. There is no "group next to another group".
You can call them group blue, group banana, group basketball etc...
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
June 17 2012 23:39 GMT
#5840
On June 18 2012 08:36 flowSthead wrote:
I don't get this bracket. Why is it Group A vs Group B and Group E vs Group F, but Group C vs Group H and Group D vs Group G. For half of the bracket they used groups next to each other and for half of the bracket they didn't. That makes no sense.


I believe they picked the groups at random.
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