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On June 12 2012 22:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:40 MattBarry wrote:On June 12 2012 22:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:31 hefty wrote:On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't mind seeds/invites for Dreamhack, Assembly and other lesser tournaments because there's obviously not enough times for players to qualify for everything and still practice and attend LAN's (although all tournaments should ideally have some form of online/offline qualifier or open bracket and I prefer online qualifiers more like MLG do).
But GSL is different, GSL is the premier tournament for the best of the best where winning Code S means far more than winning any other tournament.
Code S should be the one untouchable where only players who've made it through the Code A and ideally Code B (although I can live with foreigner Code B seeds) should be included. What I hate especially is Thorzain's invite, the tournament he won wasn't even comparable to the difficulty of Code B nevermind Code A, he has absolutely no right getting that invite. Idra and Sen's invites were just a total farce.
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
You have the right to believe that code S should not have seeds. It is jusr very subjective and I feel most would disagree. As for "farce invites". Sure, they will occur, but at least the players that are not worthy will get crushed quickly. That also serves the purpose of quelching the voices that overhype them on false grounds. On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
Don't agree here either. A professional player has to think of his career. has to ensure his income. Spending months in Korea for a small shot at the most competitive tourney is rather irrational when that player could have a decent shot at numerous other money prizes around the world. You may argue that if he is a true champ, he would want to try himself out in the most competive arena. Perhabs, but that is only feasible for someone really, really good with a great finansial backing. Because playing in Korea means you can't play in foreign tournaments right? Look at MC, Huk, MMA, DRG, MKP. They all play every GSL season but have made 10s of tousands from foreign tournaments. Playing in GSL raises your profile as a player too (just look at Sase who had zero results but just losing to random Zergs in Code A meant he got invited to everything over guys like Nerchio and Mana who stayed in EU and actually won stuff) and lets you get into more tournaments, gets you more fans and improves your career prospects. Naniwa convincingly beat the people he played in Season 2. He destroyed the previous season finalist. He lost to the greatest SC2 player ever and he still managed to make the games competitive. Naniwa deserves to be where he is. He only further proved that today That's an extremely rose tinted view. He beat Killer, Genius and Virus. Not to mention you're still so fantastically missing the point. He could win Code S and he still wouldn't deserve to be given a free ride past Code A.
Yes he would, if he won Code S he'd be qualified for the next Code S season so skip Code A. Also this is all just your opinion and not fact like you make it sound. GOM makes the rules and they chose to seed players who did well internationally in Code S, that's just how it is.
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On June 12 2012 22:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:57 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:43 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:31 hefty wrote:On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't mind seeds/invites for Dreamhack, Assembly and other lesser tournaments because there's obviously not enough times for players to qualify for everything and still practice and attend LAN's (although all tournaments should ideally have some form of online/offline qualifier or open bracket and I prefer online qualifiers more like MLG do).
But GSL is different, GSL is the premier tournament for the best of the best where winning Code S means far more than winning any other tournament.
Code S should be the one untouchable where only players who've made it through the Code A and ideally Code B (although I can live with foreigner Code B seeds) should be included. What I hate especially is Thorzain's invite, the tournament he won wasn't even comparable to the difficulty of Code B nevermind Code A, he has absolutely no right getting that invite. Idra and Sen's invites were just a total farce.
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
You have the right to believe that code S should not have seeds. It is jusr very subjective and I feel most would disagree. As for "farce invites". Sure, they will occur, but at least the players that are not worthy will get crushed quickly. That also serves the purpose of quelching the voices that overhype them on false grounds. On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
Don't agree here either. A professional player has to think of his career. has to ensure his income. Spending months in Korea for a small shot at the most competitive tourney is rather irrational when that player could have a decent shot at numerous other money prizes around the world. You may argue that if he is a true champ, he would want to try himself out in the most competive arena. Perhabs, but that is only feasible for someone really, really good with a great finansial backing. Because playing in Korea means you can't play in foreign tournaments right? Look at MC, Huk, MMA, DRG, MKP. They all play every GSL season but have made 10s of tousands from foreign tournaments. Playing in GSL raises your profile as a player too (just look at Sase who had zero results but just losing to random Zergs in Code A meant he got invited to everything over guys like Nerchio and Mana who stayed in EU and actually won stuff) and lets you get into more tournaments, gets you more fans and improves your career prospects. Playing in Korea, for NA and EU players, requires that you leave your home, family, and friends behind and go live for long periods of time in an environment with a different language, culture, and community and an insulated life-style. That works for Naniwa. It doesn't work for the vast majority of NA and EU players. The sacrifice NA and EU players have to make to stay in Korea for months on ends is tiers above what Korean players have to do when they go to a weekend MLG. Hell, DRG says he brings food from Korea to eat in MLGs because he doesn't enjoy the food in America. You think Naniwa has that option? Being the best in the world at something is obviously going to require hard work and sacrifice. It's not an excuse for affirmative action. You don't quite get it. Without seeds, nobody from NA / EU aside from a few expats who enjoy being in Korea for the sake of being in Korea is going to bother with the GSL. Without international players, GSL is not an international tournament. They will bother because A) They want to prove themselves in the best tournament and B) You become the best by living in Korea in a Korean house in which case you may as well play GSL anyway.
That's why out of all the pros in the NA / EU scene, we have a grand total of 3-4 of them living in Korea for long periods of time, half of whom are there because of seeds, amirite?
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Whoa! Awesome to see Nestea and Naniwa make it through, nice to finally get some liquid-bets right 
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On June 12 2012 22:59 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:57 m0ck wrote:On June 12 2012 22:55 Wildmoon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:37 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:27 KiZZeMiZZ wrote:On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times. GSL is a totaly diffrent thing compered to MLG and IPL. You need a diffrent skillset and we will soon se if stephano has it. Stephano plays a very instingktivly and i doubt he will prepair very good. (Sorry for my bad spelling) To be fair, these days you don't prepare for the GSL; you try to be unpredictable and to show new builds. The optimal way to play the GSL is to play differently from the way you do on ladder, because that's where people get their information about you and try to tailor their builds and styles against. Come in with a different build, a different style, and you waste your opponent's preparation. Stephano understands this, I think. He's said in a lot of interviews before matches against great players that he has to surprise them. He plays on instinct, which makes him solid against prepared builds that do not hard counter what he's doing. So long as Stephano stays away from playing the same builds he plays all the time, he has a decent shot at doing fine in the GSL. Winning GSL right now is incredribly hard. It requires you to be really strong player overall and have many strategies that you are good at because your opponent will pick your style apart. You must have really good game sense as well because you will have to face countless amount of cheese. Macro game,all in,timing, whatever you must be good at all them to be unpredictable. It's basically everything MVP has. The player like MC can win GSL but I think he is not so good at choosing what strategy to use in each game. He is good at everything but he just 2 bases too much. .. and most of all, it requires luck. Just remember how much cheese we saw from the quarter-finals and forward last season. They weren't great games, they were games of people taking giant risks. Luck plays the least part imo. If you are solid all around luck will not affect you very much.
Luck is the biggest factor imo.
Aside from Mvp, DRG and MKP I'd say every other player in the world has a player (or even a handful of players) they just are extremely unlikely to beat (maybe a 30% chance in an extended series). Dodging those players is a massive part of winning or making the finals of GSL as is dodging your weakest matchup and dodging player who are really good vs your race.
Just think about:
MMA vs P
Nestea vs T
Losira vs T
Inca vs Z
Genius vs P
Leenock vs P
Jjakji vs T
All these players have made GSL finals with one matchup which is very suspect which they have either managed to dodge entirely or scrape through player other players who are equally poor in that matchup.
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On June 12 2012 22:53 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:48 revel8 wrote:On June 12 2012 22:27 KiZZeMiZZ wrote:On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times. GSL is a totaly diffrent thing compered to MLG and IPL. You need a diffrent skillset and we will soon se if stephano has it. Stephano plays a very instingktivly and i doubt he will prepair very good. (Sorry for my bad spelling) Different skillset? Er no. You 'just' need to be extremely good at SC2. Stephano has proven he is good at it. Has he not beaten 12 Koreans in the past month alone? The answer is yes! Attempting to take your opponent by surprise by doing something unexpected is part of the skillset of succeeding at SC2. Every player has succumbed to situations where they had BO losses or did not scout a coming attack, or their army just happened to be caught out of position at a crucial time. That's all part of SC2. GSL is no different. Both players can try and cook up a surprise for the opponent. Anyway, I am really happy for Naniwa continuing to win in Code S. Dude what, GSL is a totally different beast from IPL and MLG. There will be a team of dedicated Koreans going over all his games to find holes in his play and prepare specific builds to counter his style. Stephano won't just march into Korea to collect some checks. I still think he'll make Ro8 though.
Well if he goes to Korea, he will pick up checks. Code S pays out even if you get knocked out straight away!
Having a team of friends helping you out does not equate to how good a player is wrt skill. It is merely a reflection of how good your support network is. Stephano has already beaten numerous Koreans who have featured in Code S. So he is not lacking in ability to defeat them. I don't see the point in speculating how he will do in Code S. Only time will tell.
The best players do the best at GSL. I don't think anyone ever really argues that Nestea, DRG, MVP and MC won their GSL's because they had the best team of analysts. It was because they were the best players during those tournaments.
I understand that foreigners can be at a disadvantage at GSL because initially they do not have a team of trusted analysts to help them but as Huk and Naniwa has shown, that can be built up over time. Naniwa has the likes of Squirtle, Ace, Sase, Tails etc to help him now. Stephano will have TSL players when he goes to Korea plus Bling, Thorzain will be there too. So let's wait and see what happens.
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On June 12 2012 22:54 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:46 TiTanIum_ wrote:On June 12 2012 22:37 FakeDeath wrote:
MMA DRG MC all earned their Code S seeds spot through the MLG-GSL exchange program.
So frankly speaking they legitimately qualified for Code S.
Naniwa case was basically free seeding. I could even pick competitors who achieved more than him in foreign tournaments during 2012.
(Violet,Stephano).
But since he prove himself in GSL Code S till the round of 8, i guess he is legit? Maybe
You could pick other competitors, but you won't. Yeah... You are just bitter because sometime in the past you said that Naniwa was bad and now that he proved you wrong you are trying to tell everyone that he is still bad... Just stop posting, please. Fuck that did i ever say Naniwa was bad?? He never achieve any notable foreign tournament results in 2012 and he got a free Code S seed to GSL when other koreans or foreigners achieve better?
Code S got Naniwas full attention. I wouldent bet on him attending lot of other tourneys until he got what he came for. He is that kinda guy.
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On June 12 2012 23:00 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:57 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:43 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:31 hefty wrote:On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't mind seeds/invites for Dreamhack, Assembly and other lesser tournaments because there's obviously not enough times for players to qualify for everything and still practice and attend LAN's (although all tournaments should ideally have some form of online/offline qualifier or open bracket and I prefer online qualifiers more like MLG do).
But GSL is different, GSL is the premier tournament for the best of the best where winning Code S means far more than winning any other tournament.
Code S should be the one untouchable where only players who've made it through the Code A and ideally Code B (although I can live with foreigner Code B seeds) should be included. What I hate especially is Thorzain's invite, the tournament he won wasn't even comparable to the difficulty of Code B nevermind Code A, he has absolutely no right getting that invite. Idra and Sen's invites were just a total farce.
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
You have the right to believe that code S should not have seeds. It is jusr very subjective and I feel most would disagree. As for "farce invites". Sure, they will occur, but at least the players that are not worthy will get crushed quickly. That also serves the purpose of quelching the voices that overhype them on false grounds. On June 12 2012 22:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If as a professional player you can't be bothered to put in the commitment to qualify for the World Cup of Starcraft I don't think that says much of you as a player.
Don't agree here either. A professional player has to think of his career. has to ensure his income. Spending months in Korea for a small shot at the most competitive tourney is rather irrational when that player could have a decent shot at numerous other money prizes around the world. You may argue that if he is a true champ, he would want to try himself out in the most competive arena. Perhabs, but that is only feasible for someone really, really good with a great finansial backing. Because playing in Korea means you can't play in foreign tournaments right? Look at MC, Huk, MMA, DRG, MKP. They all play every GSL season but have made 10s of tousands from foreign tournaments. Playing in GSL raises your profile as a player too (just look at Sase who had zero results but just losing to random Zergs in Code A meant he got invited to everything over guys like Nerchio and Mana who stayed in EU and actually won stuff) and lets you get into more tournaments, gets you more fans and improves your career prospects. Playing in Korea, for NA and EU players, requires that you leave your home, family, and friends behind and go live for long periods of time in an environment with a different language, culture, and community and an insulated life-style. That works for Naniwa. It doesn't work for the vast majority of NA and EU players. The sacrifice NA and EU players have to make to stay in Korea for months on ends is tiers above what Korean players have to do when they go to a weekend MLG. Hell, DRG says he brings food from Korea to eat in MLGs because he doesn't enjoy the food in America. You think Naniwa has that option? Being the best in the world at something is obviously going to require hard work and sacrifice. It's not an excuse for affirmative action. You don't quite get it. Without seeds, nobody from NA / EU aside from a few expats who enjoy being in Korea for the sake of being in Korea is going to bother with the GSL. Without international players, GSL is not an international tournament. They will bother because A) They want to prove themselves in the best tournament and B) You become the best by living in Korea in a Korean house in which case you may as well play GSL anyway. That's why out of all the pros in the NA / EU scene, we have a grand total of 3-4 of them living in Korea for long periods of time, half of whom are there because of seeds, amirite?
There's actually loads of foreigners in Korea right now but aside from Stephano basically all the top foreigners have tried at some point but they've generally just been raped in Code A and gone home, if they were good enough they'd have stayed.
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On June 12 2012 22:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:51 Adreme wrote:On June 12 2012 22:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:42 TaKemE wrote:On June 12 2012 22:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:20 johnny123 wrote:On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:
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Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG. You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL. Apparently this is difficult for you to understand but making the Ro8, making the final or even winning a Code S doesn't mean to deserved to bypass the qualification process which you had FAILED to pass through. MMA and Polt could both win this Code S season were they in it but they lost in qualifying and therefore do not deserve to be the in the tournament. They dident bypass the qualification... they qualified by placeing high in other tournaments, what in the world makes you think that qualifying through Code A is better then winning other big tournaments? The only player to ever win a big tournament and get a seed from it (i.e comparable to Code S) is Violet. MMA (2nd in MLG to MVP) DRG (3rd in MLG to Coca/Bomber) MC (2nd to Huk) Idra (Never won anything comparable) Sen (Never won anything) Naniwa (2nd MLG to Leenock) Violet (Won MLG Spring Arena) Thorzain (Won Dreamhack Stockholm - not even close to Code S/A level of competition) Polt (Won Assembly - not even close to Code S/A level of competition) You dont have to win the event you just have to be better than the rest of the non Code S players. Every major event during the GSL basically functions as a code S qualifier (similer to Code A) and showing that you can win or perform highly at these major events earns you the seed just like winning an up/down match or a Ro24 code A match. Which is dumb because A) It's extremely arbitrary what actually grants you a seed, B) You have to do three times better as a Korean at a foreign tournament than a foreigner does to get a seed and C) Some of the tournaments considered like Dreamhack and Assembly are far, far easier than winning 5-8 rounds of Code B/A perhaps followed by a top two place in the up/downs. At least with the MLG XP you had a set agreement before hand of exactly how you could qualified so it wasn't just GOM making random decisions (made mostly on fanbase rather than actual merit).
I cant really argue with there choices based on foreign events though.
First up you had Idra who never lost his Code S seed which regardless of how different an era it is he still never lost it and had recently won an IEM event. With him you had Sen who had a strong showing at Blizzcon and NASL but clearly was a standin for Naniwa who they were going to give seed to after his showing in both MLG events at providence.
Second one you have Polt who was basically coming in 1st or 2nd at every event he was attending and Naniwa who they were going to give to for season 1 pre probe rush.
Then for this season you have Violet and Thorzain. Violet won the hardest SC2 event that took place during deliberation in Arena 2 and Thorzain won Dreamhack(over Polt) which took place at same time. It was known they invited Stephano for season3 who also would have been a good choice given his showing basically every event he attends.
I just dont know in looking at this how you can say these werent the best people at the foreign events at the time.
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All this seed talk is kind of irrelevant because naniwa is in code S right now for the same reason that most other players are in code S, by making it past the group stages in last season. Tomorrow you'll have a great opportunity to whine about thorzain instead.
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On June 12 2012 23:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:59 Wildmoon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:57 m0ck wrote:On June 12 2012 22:55 Wildmoon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:37 Azarkon wrote:On June 12 2012 22:27 KiZZeMiZZ wrote:On June 12 2012 22:16 Kiyo. wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 parker- wrote:On June 12 2012 21:52 M7Jagger wrote:
Best foreigner, don't understand why people always hype up Stephano because Stephano > naniwa When did they last face off in any significant tournament setting? It's not always about H2H. But even if, Stephano could probably win right now. I'm a big Naniwa fan, but Stephano is just on another level right now. Naniwa is like Ro16-Ro8 Code S material. Stephano is like Ro8-Championship Code S level at times. GSL is a totaly diffrent thing compered to MLG and IPL. You need a diffrent skillset and we will soon se if stephano has it. Stephano plays a very instingktivly and i doubt he will prepair very good. (Sorry for my bad spelling) To be fair, these days you don't prepare for the GSL; you try to be unpredictable and to show new builds. The optimal way to play the GSL is to play differently from the way you do on ladder, because that's where people get their information about you and try to tailor their builds and styles against. Come in with a different build, a different style, and you waste your opponent's preparation. Stephano understands this, I think. He's said in a lot of interviews before matches against great players that he has to surprise them. He plays on instinct, which makes him solid against prepared builds that do not hard counter what he's doing. So long as Stephano stays away from playing the same builds he plays all the time, he has a decent shot at doing fine in the GSL. Winning GSL right now is incredribly hard. It requires you to be really strong player overall and have many strategies that you are good at because your opponent will pick your style apart. You must have really good game sense as well because you will have to face countless amount of cheese. Macro game,all in,timing, whatever you must be good at all them to be unpredictable. It's basically everything MVP has. The player like MC can win GSL but I think he is not so good at choosing what strategy to use in each game. He is good at everything but he just 2 bases too much. .. and most of all, it requires luck. Just remember how much cheese we saw from the quarter-finals and forward last season. They weren't great games, they were games of people taking giant risks. Luck plays the least part imo. If you are solid all around luck will not affect you very much. Luck is the biggest factor imo. Aside from Mvp, DRG and MKP I'd say every other player in the world has a player (or even a handful of players) they just are extremely unlikely to beat (maybe a 30% chance in an extended series). Dodging those players is a massive part of winning or making the finals of GSL as is dodging your weakest matchup and dodging player who are really good vs your race. Just think about: MMA vs P Nestea vs T Losira vs T Inca vs Z Genius vs P Leenock vs P Jjakji vs T All these players have made GSL finals with one matchup which is very suspect which they have either managed to dodge entirely or scrape through player other players who are equally poor in that matchup.
MC even said himself, (slightly paraphrased) - "Being a good player doesn't make you a champion. Being lucky doesn't make you a champion. Being a good player and having the right amount of luck is what makes you a champion."
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I am pretty sure I know what he mouthed out after his victory.
1st sentence: "Så jävla nice" which means "So fucking nice"
2nd sentence: "Vilken fittnoob" which means "What a fucking noob" ('fitt' is the swedish slang-adjective for 'cunt')
I am almost 100% sure this is what he said to himself.
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I am pretty sure he said:
1st sentence: "holy kittens on a stick"
2nd sentence "I want a bellyrub"
Almost 100% certain.
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On June 12 2012 23:17 Catbus wrote:
I am pretty sure he said:
1st sentence: "holy kittens on a stick"
2nd sentence "I want a bellyrub"
Almost 100% certain.
Sorry, bro.
Let me rephrase, I am 100% sure.
Swedes, feel free to try to disprove me.
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So fckin proud of Nani! Sweden ftw 
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On June 12 2012 22:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:42 TaKemE wrote:On June 12 2012 22:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:20 johnny123 wrote:On June 12 2012 22:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 12 2012 22:02 RaGnArOkY wrote:On June 12 2012 21:59 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote:On June 12 2012 21:53 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 12 2012 21:49 Dodgin wrote:
hopefully people will shut up about naniwa not being deserving of code S making it past the first round 2 seasons in a row now. You realize even if you are the best player in the world, you still wouldn't "deserve" a seed. Spots in Code S are meant to be earned through qualification, not because your a foreigner. Which evidently means that he deserved his Code S spot this season. I don't think you understand my post. Just because your Code S caliber, doesn't mean you deserve to be seeded into Code S, especially if you've been given multiple seeds already and have chosen to live in Korea for the long term. I don't think you understand his post, he is saying Naniwa earned his qualification for this GSL and didn't get it from a seed. Anything about last seasons seed doesn't matter. He is still Code S because of a seed even if he managed to maintain it last season. No one should ever be seeded. this asshole still talking? by his defination both Dongraegu and MMA do not deserve there Gsl Titles. Both were seeded into Code S from placing high at MLG. You have no argument son, just shut up and support a foreigner doing well in GSL. Apparently this is difficult for you to understand but making the Ro8, making the final or even winning a Code S doesn't mean to deserved to bypass the qualification process which you had FAILED to pass through. MMA and Polt could both win this Code S season were they in it but they lost in qualifying and therefore do not deserve to be the in the tournament. They dident bypass the qualification... they qualified by placeing high in other tournaments, what in the world makes you think that qualifying through Code A is better then winning other big tournaments? The only player to ever win a big tournament and get a seed from it (i.e comparable to Code S) is Violet. MMA (2nd in MLG to MVP) DRG (3rd in MLG to Coca/Bomber) MC (2nd to Huk) Idra (Never won anything comparable) Sen (Never won anything) Naniwa (2nd MLG to Leenock) Violet (Won MLG Spring Arena) Thorzain (Won Dreamhack Stockholm - not even close to Code S/A level of competition) Polt (Won Assembly - not even close to Code S/A level of competition)
you dont think that polt beating taeja, hero, lucky, and stephano in assembly is even close to Code S/A when all of the players he beat were? o.o
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On June 12 2012 23:17 Catbus wrote:
I am pretty sure he said:
1st sentence: "holy kittens on a stick"
2nd sentence "I want a bellyrub"
Almost 100% certain.
Seems legit
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On June 12 2012 23:18 Ciubhran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 23:17 Catbus wrote:
I am pretty sure he said:
1st sentence: "holy kittens on a stick"
2nd sentence "I want a bellyrub"
Almost 100% certain. Sorry, bro. Let me rephrase, I am 100% sure. Swedes, feel free to try to disprove me.
I am from sweden 
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code s level PvP from naniwa and good PvT which is the reason he came os far last GSL and actually came out of this group. Just needs to improve his PvZ now. Although i still believe he has a long way to go before he can think about taking the gsl title. It is always one of those momentum riders or all time champions(*cough* MVP *cough*)
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On June 12 2012 23:25 Catbus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 23:18 Ciubhran wrote:On June 12 2012 23:17 Catbus wrote:
I am pretty sure he said:
1st sentence: "holy kittens on a stick"
2nd sentence "I want a bellyrub"
Almost 100% certain. Sorry, bro. Let me rephrase, I am 100% sure. Swedes, feel free to try to disprove me. I am from sweden
If you're from the same part of Sweden as me and Naniwa are from, then there shouldn't be a damn doubt in your mind that he is saying "vilken fittnoob".
Consider that the word 'noob' is pronounced 'njewb', and look at his lips, and try to imagine him saying it in a Skåne dialect.
100% "vilken fittnoob".
Don't try and deny it.
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