When: Wednesday, Jun 06 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 24 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 2. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop to LR2. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
Expected result should be 5:0, maybe 5:1, for Prime of course. I just hope that if Prime starts with B-teamers, Acer will put up some fight. I'm also curious if this match happened prior to Elfi's disbanding.
Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
TAC3 was set up pretty bad which is why I think they've changed it for next season to the IPTL. Basically all the round 1 matches of the winners brackets had kinda crappy teams that came from the qualifiers par a few like TSL.
Acer won't even win a match nor a game. Only guy who could possible take a single game off anyone on Prime is Nerchio and thats only a couple of their non-top teir guys. So this match is pretty much just a joke match that will only end well for Prime.
No way Acer can win this one. MKP got an all-kill against Startale yesterday, but any Prime member would probably be enough to achieve that feat against Acer. Poor guys, it's gonna be a slaughterhouse.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
if it were some random korean players on prime, acer would definately have a chance. But I think all their hope will end, when prime sends out one of their 5 top players (mkp, byun, maru, creator, b4). But I would rather see if Aria or Salmosa can show some skills.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
Prime needs more protosses. I hope they're recruiting. Other than that, I hope Prime takes this while displaying some of their B teamer talents. Even losing but showing good games is good exposure and experience for them.
On the other hand, I don't think Acer can upset the Prime
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran then top tier korean ie Prime Terrans. So yes, 2 tiers
On June 05 2012 22:22 Beeblistical wrote: Prime needs more protosses. I hope they're recruiting. Other than that, I hope Prime takes this while displaying some of their B teamer talents. Even losing but showing good games is good exposure and experience for them.
On the other hand, I don't think Acer can upset the Prime
I wouldn't mind seeing another A/S-class protoss and zerg join prime. maybe life, tear, etc
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
well MKP's vsZ is his worst matchup and he has lost to delphi and TLO before (among others)... i'd put nerchio's chance at the upset to be about 15-25% acer's win chance (if prime takes this seriously) will be about 1% though i reckon
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
On June 04 2012 22:43 StarVe wrote: Bly or Elfi (if he still played) could potentially beat some Protoss player, Nerchio or maybe Bly could beat a Zerg if Prime decides to start one of those, but when they send out Terrans, Acer's pretty much fucked.
Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
On June 05 2012 00:03 stardog wrote: [quote] Well, Nerchio recently beat ThorZaIN in HP Trophy, LucifroN in ESL Country Championships and Kas in Fnatic RaidCall Invitational, so he isn't that bad versus terran. Sure, he won't be favored against a Korean player (I guess Stephano, HuK and NaNiwa currently are the only foreigners that could sometimes be called that) but an upset (taking one-two games) isn't impossible.
Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
On June 05 2012 00:13 ZenithM wrote: [quote] Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
When did he say MKP was clearly above MVP, MMA, Polt and Jjakji?
On June 05 2012 00:13 ZenithM wrote: [quote] Unless Prime's B-team is used (which it's very likely to be), Maru, Byun and MarineKing are like 2 calibers above all the Terran you mentioned, they might as well play an entirely different race, Nerchio's ZvForeignT won't be enough. He needs some ZvCodeST skill instead.
nah that's not true
thorzain, kas and lucifron often win against koreans and they are some of the few foreigners that beat koreans regularly (lucifron not so much but he has had some showmatches and cup-matches vs koreans)
they might not be on the same level as MKP but they are not that far behind the oterhs you mentioned...
2 calibers sounds about right to me. We have foreigner terran caliber ie thorzain etc then low korean caliber e.g the average good korean terran
LOL low korean Terrans are not a level above Thorzain.
yes they are...
No they aren't.
Top korean terrans = mma, mvp, marineking, taeja, etc lower korean terrans = gumiho, supernova, thestc, keen, forgg, puma etc
Even though thorzain has more achievements and exposure, skillwise I think he's a fair way behind. he can trade sets and take games for sure, but i doubt he's really favoured against them
NO! Those are all AMAZING Korean terrans. Jesus most of them have been or are still in Code S. It should be God Tier, and high tier, not high and low. A low tier Korean player is someone like TSL.Punisher, or FXO.Tree, not someone like Gumiho.
that's the thing though, MKP is in god tier >> high tiers like gumiho >> good tiers >> foreigner tiers like thorzain (my original argument, that he's two-three calibers above)
Oh yeah it's so clear that MKP is clearly above everyone else. He is easily just that level above that of the likes of MVP, Polt, MMA, Jjakji. It's just amazing how you can clearly seperate his abilities to the other high class terrans - amazing, frightening .....
mkp was an example of a godtier terran, i never said he was the only one, you ningbat. l2r
erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
On June 07 2012 02:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote: erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
well MKP's vsZ is his worst matchup and he has lost to delphi and TLO before (among others)... i'd put nerchio's chance at the upset to be about 15-25% acer's win chance (if prime takes this seriously) will be about 1% though i reckon
His TvT has always been his worst matchup by a pretty considerable margin actually.
On June 07 2012 02:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote: erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
On June 07 2012 02:57 Megiddosc wrote: Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
Hmm I think it depends if he completely smashes his first couple of opponents as bad as I think he is going to... he might troll around the last couple of games. Especially since they have guys like Creator and B4 backing him up if his troll builds fail.
On June 07 2012 02:57 Megiddosc wrote: Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
On June 07 2012 02:57 Megiddosc wrote: Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
Mondragon will wreck that shit roach style.
There was a game MKP was streaming on ladder... was against Curious I think, where he went 4 fac blue flame helion vs roach/muta and won.
On June 07 2012 02:57 Megiddosc wrote: Ah nice. I'll have to watch just to see MKP absolutely destroy his five opponents. Love how Prime is taking TAC3 (and the KSL) very seriously. I do wonder if we'll see some troll builds by MKP like mass nuke, hellion, or thor in this match.
Mondragon will wreck that shit roach style.
There was a game MKP was streaming on ladder... was against Curious I think, where he went 4 fac blue flame helion vs roach/muta and won.
I'm not surprised (actually I was and it was awesome and rofl)
On June 07 2012 03:42 delayed reflex wrote: Would be cool to see AriAPrime in action! Is this the same AriA that people were awed by like a year ago from a replay vs HuK?
yes, I would've loved to see him play, but I guess, there is no fooling around today :-)
On June 07 2012 02:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote: erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa Got some TAC3 info for you about todays match! MarineKing is leading off for Prime! Paranoid is going to start things for Acer! 4pm PST!
LOL All kill incoming... Prime showing no mercy o.O
On June 04 2012 22:57 MetalPanda wrote: I just want to see a huge upset in Nerchio beats MKP. Absolutely could happen.
Well technically speaking anything could happen... If MKP fell asleep at his computer a bronze league player could beat him... But in I give Nerchio a 1% chance of beating MKP right now. and Acer gets a 0.00000000000000001% chance of winning this.
Note: I'm not implying Nerchio or Acer is bad by any means just saying MKP is that fuckin good. Just ask Startale
well MKP's vsZ is his worst matchup and he has lost to delphi and TLO before (among others)... i'd put nerchio's chance at the upset to be about 15-25% acer's win chance (if prime takes this seriously) will be about 1% though i reckon
His TvT has always been his worst matchup by a pretty considerable margin actually.
not lately =]
On June 07 2012 03:42 delayed reflex wrote: Would be cool to see AriAPrime in action! Is this the same AriA that people were awed by like a year ago from a replay vs HuK?
Yikes, 4 zergs (make that 3 now) and only 1 terran. This is gonna be a tough one for Acer. If Nerchio has a really good day he might be able to take it, but it's gonna be really rough.
On June 07 2012 08:12 Vetrocide wrote: well its not gonna be an allkill. Just saw their screen and last replay is ''Acer vs Prime game 8''
I think they have spoiler replay also so not ruin the cast
This. Pretty sure they have the teams send in a full match of replays no matter what. Also if I was an Acer manager, I'd just send in Nerchio, I mean if he can't win the team is pretty fucked anyway
Regardless, roachlingbane all in is perfect against MKP against the builds he does sometimes. Also, almost 100% chance that MKP plays greedy on Metropolis, good snipe by Acer.
Marineking can only be upset with himself there. Super greedy build Congrats on the win Bly. Come on Prime! Plenty of good players left on your roster. You'll be fine
Guys, he didn't say that that made Acer the favored...they just have a better chance now. MarineKing is gone. Now instead of like 5 huge obstacles now they only have 4. They might still be screwed but it's a better chance.
Also damnit, elfi was on the team when this was played. Probably not gonna be any Mondragon T_T
On June 07 2012 08:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh well. Hopefully GreedKingPrime learned his lesson today and doesnt get caught like that in GSTL next week Come on Annyeong!
I have a feeling this is going to happen in MKP vs Byul xD. Or he'll just die to proxy marauders to aLive again.
On June 07 2012 08:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh well. Hopefully GreedKingPrime learned his lesson today and doesnt get caught like that in GSTL next week Come on Annyeong!
Not taking a fast third CC means getting outmacroed as a Terran. Pretty ridiculous how even semi-pro foreigner Zerg can now take game of best korean terrans.
SC2 is volatile. Semi-pros of any race can take games off of the best koreans of any race. Especially if it is cheese vs. the greediest build possible.
On June 07 2012 08:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh well. Hopefully GreedKingPrime learned his lesson today and doesnt get caught like that in GSTL next week Come on Annyeong!
Not taking a fast third CC means getting outmacroed as a Terran. Pretty ridiculous how even semi-pro foreigner Zerg can now take game of best korean terrans.
I know, right? Now look at this, he can even take a game of a zerg. This game is broken!
On June 07 2012 08:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh well. Hopefully GreedKingPrime learned his lesson today and doesnt get caught like that in GSTL next week Come on Annyeong!
Not taking a fast third CC means getting outmacroed as a Terran. Pretty ridiculous how even semi-pro foreigner Zerg can now take game of best korean terrans.
i will just quote tlpd from the right part of the screen okay 1. Stephano 2. Nerchio 3. Sen 4. Bly 5. Kas also everyone in Acer team get good payments, so u just CAN'T call them "semipro". In a lot of korean teams people got less money (even if their overall skill is higher)
On June 07 2012 08:35 Catatafish wrote: SC2 is volatile. Semi-pros of any race can take games off of the best koreans of any race. Especially if it is cheese vs. the greediest build possible.
On June 07 2012 08:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Oh well. Hopefully GreedKingPrime learned his lesson today and doesnt get caught like that in GSTL next week Come on Annyeong!
Not taking a fast third CC means getting outmacroed as a Terran. Pretty ridiculous how even semi-pro foreigner Zerg can now take game of best korean terrans.
Best Korean Terrans should be capable of playing from a (slight) BO disadvantage vs a "semi-pro foreigner Zerg" and go for a safe opening. MKP was just arrogant.
Wow this series really turned around quickly from game 1. Acer looked like they were going to get stomped and now all of a sudden Bly is on the war path O_o Holy shit Acer could do this
On June 07 2012 08:46 Hulavuta wrote: Bly is so good ZvZ damn mang
You are kidding right? that was a BO win.. Yes the first ZvZ was good, but this?
So what?
Actually Bly play as this game should be played - to win. It is often heard that foreigners aren't agressive, cheesy enough. It is nice variety that we have finally foreigner, who can fuck with Koreans.
On June 07 2012 08:49 Thinasy wrote: Just send out Maru for the love of christ.
Just because players are on the roster doesn't mean they're all readily available to jump in. I bet they never expected they would have to play anyone other than MKP tonight. =p
On June 07 2012 08:46 Hulavuta wrote: Bly is so good ZvZ damn mang
You are kidding right? that was a BO win.. Yes the first ZvZ was good, but this?
So what?
Actually Bly play as this game should be played - to win. It is often heard that foreigners aren't agressive, cheesy enough. It is nice variety that we have finally foreigner, who can fuck with Koreans.
I never said cheese or anything is WRONG, but you cant say it was "well played" by him, that's just bullshit.
On June 07 2012 08:50 Personamb wrote: What's with the still-sending-out-B-teamers? Salmosa's probably pretty good, but this is such a sign of disrespect from the Prime coach.
Also, is this being played cross-server? If so, seems extra-rough to send out more zergs to do ZvZ since lag is so brutal in early ZvZs...
I wonder if other players are indisposed?
Unless Bly is in America it's Europe vs Korea, which means both players are playing with non-negligible latency.
On June 07 2012 08:50 Personamb wrote: What's with the still-sending-out-B-teamers? Salmosa's probably pretty good, but this is such a sign of disrespect from the Prime coach.
Also, is this being played cross-server? If so, seems extra-rough to send out more zergs to do ZvZ since lag is so brutal in early ZvZs...
I wonder if other players are indisposed?
They should be playing on NA, everything else would be silly. But I don´t think, that this should be an advantage for either one, Bly´s internet isn´t the best as well AFAIK.
On June 07 2012 08:50 Personamb wrote: What's with the still-sending-out-B-teamers? Salmosa's probably pretty good, but this is such a sign of disrespect from the Prime coach.
Especially he send MKP first.... yeah B-teamer as hell....
On June 07 2012 08:53 Hulavuta wrote: Can someone give me some examples about IM coach being so bad? I hear people compare bad coaches to him all the time but I don't really watch GSTL
IM just lost to Fnatic without using Losira or MVP
On June 07 2012 08:50 Personamb wrote: What's with the still-sending-out-B-teamers? Salmosa's probably pretty good, but this is such a sign of disrespect from the Prime coach.
Especially he send MKP first.... yeah B-teamer as hell....
On June 07 2012 08:53 Hulavuta wrote: Can someone give me some examples about IM coach being so bad? I hear people compare bad coaches to him all the time but I don't really watch GSTL
IM just lost to Fnatic without using Losira or MVP
not to mention that Losira didn't get sent out after getting 4 kills the day before
On June 07 2012 08:53 Hulavuta wrote: Can someone give me some examples about IM coach being so bad? I hear people compare bad coaches to him all the time but I don't really watch GSTL
It's more of an urban myth - people are just upset he often sent players other than mvp/NesTea/LosirA in the past seasons (although when he did let the "aces" play, they hardly contributed much). So now the reputation carried over, and the + Show Spoiler +
latest fail
doesn't help either.
Anyway, this is a completely different situation as in GSTL you can actually see who's on the bench and (presumably) available to play. In IPL3 I wouldn't be surprised if they were just pulling random people from the house after MKP lost, ie those who aren't too tired/hungry/sleeping at the time the games were played.
On June 07 2012 08:53 Hulavuta wrote: Can someone give me some examples about IM coach being so bad? I hear people compare bad coaches to him all the time but I don't really watch GSTL
IM just lost to Fnatic without using Losira or MVP
not to mention that Losira didn't get sent out after getting 4 kills the day before
I don't wanna hear anything about IM coach again. T_T
This casting is really hurting my ears :/ He wasn't playing scared... He was all in. <.< Surpised a 2 base roach all in worked though. I'd have rather seen a 3rd the minute bly's all in failed
On June 07 2012 09:02 Champloo wrote: Nerchio gonna clean up now.
Nerchio will beat Salmosa then Creator is gonna come in and finish off Acer
I don´t see him beating elfi tbh. Ghostking could maybe make a comeback for Prime, though.
^ Pretty much this. If Prime coach sends in Byun/Maru they should be able to beat anyone on acer, but if Creator comes out elfi will have one last performance for acer
On June 07 2012 08:39 Ksquared wrote: Zergs just dominating team leagues recently...
Agreed. Look at GSTL. The results are disgustingly zerg favored. I think it'll take a little while for terrans to get their bearings back after patch. Who knows.
On June 07 2012 09:08 Hulavuta wrote: Acer is almost all zergs and Prime is sending Zergs against them for some reason.
two of Byun/Maru/Creator must not be available or for some reason Prime doesnt see fit to use them. I feel like their main 5 should be MKP, B4, Maru, Byun, and Creator. Not really sure why they wouldnt use that core group if they were all available to play
Not sure if it's been said in these past 14 pages as of yet, but could you please label the results better. You have it saying Acer vs Prime, but the results have the left team as Prime members and the right as Acer.
I love the way Nerchio is using his mutalisks. He made the same thing vs. Delphi. But now ZvP will end this. Let's hope Elfi will show his PvP skills later.
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: After the 1st game I swear I saw Acer vs Prime game 9, because they were slow on the web came switch. I really want prime to win though.
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: After the 1st game I swear I saw Acer vs Prime game 9, because they were slow on the web came switch. I really want prime to win though.
Already calling it.
if theyre smart in the slightest theyre gonna have dummy replays for every single day of casting though, so what you saw shouldnt matter at all. but who knows, last time i listened to doa i felt like he knew the results already and with creator in the game game 9 is certainly not unlikely
On June 07 2012 09:18 StarVe wrote: Nerchio vs Protoss, uh oh.
Elfi isn't nearly as dominant in PvP anymore btw.
He isn´t that dominant anymore because everyone in europe is afraid of him and he loses to offgates and cannon rushes and those kind of things. Creator doesn´t know him most likely and will not do such things. He still got a good IEMWC and had 75% WR at the last Dreamhack.
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: After the 1st game I swear I saw Acer vs Prime game 9, because they were slow on the web came switch. I really want prime to win though.
Already calling it.
if theyre smart in the slightest theyre gonna have dummy replays for every single day of casting though, so what you saw shouldnt matter at all. but who knows, last time i listened to doa i felt like he knew the results already and with creator in the game game 9 is certainly not unlikely
They hardly ever even make that mistake, and that would be stupid to have dummy replay. Either way I just want prime to win lol.
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: *potential spoilers*
Already calling it.
Yeah, great job "calling" it. Now maybe stop quoting yourself and don't take the excitement away from other people (if what you're saying is even correct)
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: After the 1st game I swear I saw Acer vs Prime game 9, because they were slow on the web came switch. I really want prime to win though.
Already calling it.
if theyre smart in the slightest theyre gonna have dummy replays for every single day of casting though, so what you saw shouldnt matter at all. but who knows, last time i listened to doa i felt like he knew the results already and with creator in the game game 9 is certainly not unlikely
They hardly ever even make that mistake, and that would be stupid to have dummy replay. Either way I just want prime to win lol.
On June 07 2012 08:45 Liltwizzler wrote: After the 1st game I swear I saw Acer vs Prime game 9, because they were slow on the web came switch. I really want prime to win though.
Already calling it.
if theyre smart in the slightest theyre gonna have dummy replays for every single day of casting though, so what you saw shouldnt matter at all. but who knows, last time i listened to doa i felt like he knew the results already and with creator in the game game 9 is certainly not unlikely
They hardly ever even make that mistake, and that would be stupid to have dummy replay. Either way I just want prime to win lol.
I dont understand what youre saying... how is it stupid to have dummy replays?
On June 04 2012 23:22 Catatonic wrote: Acer won't even win a match nor a game. Only guy who could possible take a single game off anyone on Prime is Nerchio and thats only a couple of their non-top teir guys. So this match is pretty much just a joke match that will only end well for Prime.
Lawlz.
If they still have Elfi for this match, then Acer can definitely take this. I'd put money on Elfi in a PvP against Creator.
Well Nerchio went full foreigner there, but on the other side I am just curious.... WHAT THE FUCK IS TALDARIM ALTAR DOING IN THE POOL!? Nerchio was fucked up at the start with this spawn positions.
On June 07 2012 09:38 Embir wrote: Well Nerchio went full foreigner there, but on the other side I am just curious.... WHAT THE FUCK IS TALDARIM ALTAR DOING IN THE POOL!? Nerchio was fucked up at the start with this spawn positions.
seeing Zerg having to build lots of zerglings to kill destructible rocks to take his 3rd was pretty painful.. 3rd came over a minute later than normal and also lots of lings instead of drones, just bad for zerg.
Complete lack of upgrades really hurt him there, can only think the muta start wasn't great ... once he saw blink, why not keep spire but go straight into roach infestor?
On June 04 2012 23:22 Catatonic wrote: Acer won't even win a match nor a game. Only guy who could possible take a single game off anyone on Prime is Nerchio and thats only a couple of their non-top teir guys. So this match is pretty much just a joke match that will only end well for Prime.
Lawlz.
If they still have Elfi for this match, then Acer can definitely take this. I'd put money on Elfi in a PvP against Creator.
On June 04 2012 23:22 Catatonic wrote: Acer won't even win a match nor a game. Only guy who could possible take a single game off anyone on Prime is Nerchio and thats only a couple of their non-top teir guys. So this match is pretty much just a joke match that will only end well for Prime.
Lawlz.
If they still have Elfi for this match, then Acer can definitely take this. I'd put money on Elfi in a PvP against Creator.
PvP is the matchup this is most reliant on having casters who know how to play Protoss at a high level. Rotterdam is fantastic at casting PvP, he actually made me enjoyed the matchup after watching IEM.
Dark Hydra, their male terran player, using the tag "Philosophy Girl". That's a hell of an identity Crisis. Still, he has the word "Hydra" in his name. That may be enough to grant him victory in this Summer of The Swarm.
On June 07 2012 09:54 TheDougler wrote: Dark Hydra, their male terran player, using the tag "Philosophy Girl". That's a hell of an identity Crisis. Still, he has the word "Hydra" in his name. That may be enough to grant him victory in this Summer of The Swarm.
Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
On June 07 2012 09:56 Bagration wrote: Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
if you check the last IPL TAC, prime was forced to ace match quite a few times too haha
On June 07 2012 09:54 TheDougler wrote: Dark Hydra, their male terran player, using the tag "Philosophy Girl". That's a hell of an identity Crisis. Still, he has the word "Hydra" in his name. That may be enough to grant him victory in this Summer of The Swarm.
velocitygirl
Hmm, Zerglings have a high max velocity whereas Zerglings are not known to philosophise. Therefore that bodes better for him.
On June 07 2012 09:54 TheDougler wrote: Dark Hydra, their male terran player, using the tag "Philosophy Girl". That's a hell of an identity Crisis. Still, he has the word "Hydra" in his name. That may be enough to grant him victory in this Summer of The Swarm.
On June 07 2012 09:56 Bagration wrote: Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
if you check the last IPL TAC, prime was forced to ace match quite a few times too haha
Including by Empire in first round, foreign teams keep breaking my heart in team leagues vs prime
On June 07 2012 09:56 Bagration wrote: Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
if you check the last IPL TAC, prime was forced to ace match quite a few times too haha
Including by Empire in first round, foreign teams keep breaking my heart in team leagues vs prime
empire, liquid and ogs, all arguably much weaker teams all force prime's ace hand
On June 07 2012 09:56 Bagration wrote: Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
if you check the last IPL TAC, prime was forced to ace match quite a few times too haha
Yep, and that's part of the reason why people regard Empire and Liquid so highly.
On June 07 2012 09:56 Bagration wrote: Even if Creator finishes off Acer, Acer will have already achieved a symbolic victory by forcing the defending GSTL champions to an ace match. Well done tonight Acer, truly exceeded my expectations.
if you check the last IPL TAC, prime was forced to ace match quite a few times too haha
Including by Empire in first round, foreign teams keep breaking my heart in team leagues vs prime
On June 07 2012 10:06 Derez wrote: Creator had the perfect counter but it seemed a lot closer than it should have been to be honest. Seemed miscontrolled or something?
He let 3 bunker finish and siege to really get in position before push out.
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
Yeah, they totally shoulda beat this team that just 6-0ed Startale...
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
you chose a good day to say this after Blys run and 4-5 result
Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
Man acer sent out their ace to soon, should have kept him back so it was harder to snipe him. Still very impressive play from acer there, almost pulled the massive upset over a top gstl team.
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
I really don't remember you posting anything but negative posts. Seriously, going 4:5 vs Prime is pretty good for a time that many thought would just get rolled over. Good job Acer for making it really close.
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
Last time somebody got 3 kills against Prime, it included MKP and Creator in pretty drawn out games.
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
He did cheese two of them. Good for him to be able to achieve what he needed to do when his team really needed wins, but it's hard to praise that as an individual performance.
Bly made a really good job there. Nerchio also has done his task, winning ZvZ. Too bad Elfi didn't choose any other special tactic;p Anyway it was close only thanks to Bly so big grats. This is how you should play vs. koreans. Don't let them troll you, panish greedy builds, do mind games. Perfect play by Bly today. (or whenever it's been played)
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
He did cheese two of them. Good for him to be able what he needed to do when his team really needed wins, but it's hard to praise that as an individual performance.
He cheesed once. The other game, he saw CC 1st, and went for 2 base timing attack. Abolutly right decision.
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
you chose a good day to say this after Blys run and 4-5 result
Is Blys a foreigner? I just assumed he was Korean since he produced results.
good god, prime Zergs were the ones looking god awful tonight. All three of them showed extreme sloppyness in their play. The got fooled by their opponents damn hard, really shameful! But what can you say? Creator is just the best. That's why I love this kid so much. He is such a great player, but you never see him freak out. There is no fooling around, no stupid greedyness, he just crushes faces. He should've sniped that tank with immortals, that was much too close to the cliff, before he started the big engagement, but that was one of the few minor mistakes he made. Good play from him, not really tested, but solid. The rest of the team can be thankful to have such a great guy!
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
He did cheese two of them. Good for him to be able what he needed to do when his team really needed wins, but it's hard to praise that as an individual performance.
He cheesed once. The other game, he saw CC 1st, and went for 2 base timing attack. Abolutly right decision.
It was a good decision and he totally faked MKP out with the sick cancel-rebuild, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it's not cheese. MKP played stupidly greedy with 3rd CC and no bunker and nearly held that.
On June 07 2012 10:07 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: Good God foreigners are so bad. As much as I want to root for them I just simply can't. It's hard to support people that lose all the time.
I really don't remember you posting anything but negative posts. Seriously, going 4:5 vs Prime is pretty good for a time that many thought would just get rolled over. Good job Acer for making it really close.
You're right man, I tend to post negatively. This is probably a reflection of my world view to some degree. Thanks for the heads up, I'll try to be more positive in the future.
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
He did cheese two of them. Good for him to be able what he needed to do when his team really needed wins, but it's hard to praise that as an individual performance.
He cheesed once. The other game, he saw CC 1st, and went for 2 base timing attack. Abolutly right decision.
It was a good decision and he totally faked MKP out with the sick cancel-rebuild, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it's not cheese. MKP played stupidly greedy with 3rd CC and no bunker and nearly held that.
Well, for me cheese means early attack, that your opponent cannot build any units yet, and has nothing to defend, BUT only if he was going for standard build. 3 CC, with CC 1st, no wall and building addons not units - you can't cheese that, only punish. You can also say that MKP was going for "eco cheese". He was the one that made something risky.
In my opinion the best players are doing all builds, just to confuse their opponent. This is how mvp won gsl, this is how mkp is wining, MC etc. But well, I just love to watch cheesing, timing attacks and all kind of early aggression P
On June 07 2012 10:07 Hall0wed wrote: Stay cheesy terran.
lol @ Prime for almost losing though, especially after using MKP first.
Lol @ Startale for losing 6-0
I'd much rather lose 6 games to MKP than 5 games to a foreign team. Also just because Startale is my little team in my corner doesn't mean I care much about their team league performance, its all about Squirtle for me.
Hit me up the next time a Prime player gets into the RO4 of Code S.
On June 07 2012 10:06 Derez wrote: Creator had the perfect counter but it seemed a lot closer than it should have been to be honest. Seemed miscontrolled or something?
On June 07 2012 10:10 StarVe wrote: Still, everything went better than expected. GGs, props to Bly for making his team look dangerous (last time someone got three kills against Prime, there was a bit more praise), props to the Prime coach for making his team look eminently beatable.
He did cheese two of them. Good for him to be able what he needed to do when his team really needed wins, but it's hard to praise that as an individual performance.
He cheesed once. The other game, he saw CC 1st, and went for 2 base timing attack. Abolutly right decision.
It was a good decision and he totally faked MKP out with the sick cancel-rebuild, but it's a bit of a stretch to say it's not cheese. MKP played stupidly greedy with 3rd CC and no bunker and nearly held that.
mkp can hold DRG's allins half the time, but that's without lag and same server etc
On June 07 2012 10:07 Hall0wed wrote: Stay cheesy terran.
lol @ Prime for almost losing though, especially after using MKP first.
Lol @ Startale for losing 6-0
I'd much rather lose 6 games to MKP than 5 games to a foreign team. Also just because Startale is my little team in my corner doesn't mean I care much about their team league performance, its all about Squirtle for me.
Hit me up the next time a Prime player gets into the RO4 of Code S.
On June 07 2012 10:15 Shaddar wrote: Seems like Acer suffers from having ace players who are weak in certain matchups, they could do with a solid all-round player liek Creator
almost any team wouldn't mind a player like creator. except maybe STq, they are already so toss-heavy
On June 07 2012 10:15 Shaddar wrote: Seems like Acer suffers from having ace players who are weak in certain matchups, they could do with a solid all-round player liek Creator
almost any team wouldn't mind a player like creator. except maybe STq, they are already so toss-heavy
On June 07 2012 10:42 Canucklehead wrote: It was nice of MKP to let the others play this time after hogging startale all to himself. Such a great team guy!
this match was played on 28/5, so it was before the ST match. MKP probably annoyed at himself so he imbapwned STQ for revenge.
On June 07 2012 10:07 Hall0wed wrote: Stay cheesy terran.
lol @ Prime for almost losing though, especially after using MKP first.
Lol @ Startale for losing 6-0
I'd much rather lose 6 games to MKP than 5 games to a foreign team. Also just because Startale is my little team in my corner doesn't mean I care much about their team league performance, its all about Squirtle for me.
Hit me up the next time a Prime player gets into the RO4 of Code S.
might be soon
I mean MKP is one of my favorite Terrans but I have learned never to put any faith in him. He just chokes hardcore sometimes and its too annoying getting my hopes up for nothing.
On June 07 2012 10:15 Shaddar wrote: Seems like Acer suffers from having ace players who are weak in certain matchups, they could do with a solid all-round player liek Creator
almost any team wouldn't mind a player like creator. except maybe STq, they are already so toss-heavy
And IM wouldn't want him, he might be too useful.
LOL
IM coach could send BBi or Yonghwa insteaded of Creator :D
On June 07 2012 10:15 Shaddar wrote: Seems like Acer suffers from having ace players who are weak in certain matchups, they could do with a solid all-round player liek Creator
almost any team wouldn't mind a player like creator. except maybe STq, they are already so toss-heavy
And IM wouldn't want him, he might be too useful.
LOL
IM coach could send BBi or Yonghwa insteaded of Creator :D
hahaha everyone was SO wrong about how this series would go down. Bly was in full on beast mode. I though he was going to all kill prime for a bit there.
On June 07 2012 10:15 Shaddar wrote: Seems like Acer suffers from having ace players who are weak in certain matchups, they could do with a solid all-round player liek Creator
almost any team wouldn't mind a player like creator. except maybe STq, they are already so toss-heavy
And IM wouldn't want him, he might be too useful.
LOL
IM coach could send BBi or Yonghwa insteaded of Creator :D
too true.
Aw don't be mean to Yonghwa, he's not half bad. By the way, who is this Salmosa guy, person, thingie?
hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
On June 07 2012 11:27 opterown wrote: hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
On June 07 2012 11:27 opterown wrote: hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
On June 07 2012 12:19 SeeKeR wrote: How did MKP die to Bly?
AND FUUUCCCKKK YYYEEAAHHH CREATOR PRIME BABY!
MKP going 3CC on Metropolis scouts an early roach warren. Bly cancels and remakes and rolls MKP who went hellions and no bunker.
So let me see if I got this straight.
MKP opens up 3CC on Metropolis. MKP scouts Bly and sees an early roach warren. Bly cancels the roach warren to make MKP think he's not going for early aggression. Then, Bly rebuilds the roach warren, moves out with a roach army, and catches MKP off guard who has nothing but hellions and no bunkers.
On June 07 2012 12:19 SeeKeR wrote: How did MKP die to Bly?
AND FUUUCCCKKK YYYEEAAHHH CREATOR PRIME BABY!
MKP going 3CC on Metropolis scouts an early roach warren. Bly cancels and remakes and rolls MKP who went hellions and no bunker.
So let me see if I got this straight.
MKP opens up 3CC on Metropolis. MKP scouts Bly and sees an early roach warren. Bly cancels the roach warren to make MKP think he's not going for early aggression. Then, Bly rebuilds the roach warren, moves out with a roach army, and catches MKP off guard who has nothing but hellions and no bunkers.
Correct?
ye, mkp's scv was like scouting expo -> scouting main so bly cancels roach warren in the main and INSTANTLY put it on expo
On June 07 2012 11:27 opterown wrote: hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
lets see how he deals with really high level players as the ace though.
On June 07 2012 11:27 opterown wrote: hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
lets see how he deals with really high level players as the ace though.
as ace, creator has defeated: Clide Heart Revival Alive (4-kill)
DRG
VINES Inca Supernova (3-kill)
Monster DRG (2-kill)
Happy
Nerchio Elfi Darkhydra (3-kill)
These aren't bad players...
He's lost to Bomber as ace once. Otherwise undefeated.
On June 07 2012 11:27 opterown wrote: hey guys, cool fact - when creator has been sent out as prime's ace (ie their last player) he's only ever dropped ONE game. he's won FOURTEEN of them as prime's last player standing 14-1 as prime ace. move over DRG, MMA, whoever. creator is THE ace
lets see how he deals with really high level players as the ace though.
wtf?
are DRG and Supernova and alive not "really high level players"?
On June 04 2012 23:22 Catatonic wrote: Acer won't even win a match nor a game. Only guy who could possible take a single game off anyone on Prime is Nerchio and thats only a couple of their non-top teir guys. So this match is pretty much just a joke match that will only end well for Prime.
funny. especially considering your sig/who you support.
On June 07 2012 22:09 JustPassingBy wrote: Holy shit, Bly beating marineking, annyeong and bbong? Awesome run. Too bad that Acer had no solution to Creator.
EPT
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