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On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison.
Yeah man, YongHwa and Seed are so much better than MC.
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I am torn because I hate protoss, but MC is just so fucking cool.
I think I am going to settle on loving him.
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On May 28 2012 05:50 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks.It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. You mean like winning IEM WC finals by going 1gate expand into 3gate pressure into 3rd base every single game? Anyone who still harps on about MC being just a timing attack player is utterly retarded or hasn't watched the scene since Open Season 3.
I think this is an effect of the huge explosion of butthurt that hit TL when MC rolled July in GSL finals with 2 base timings. I mean, do you rememeber that? There was an 80+ page thread dedicated to FF IMBA by itself. I remember summer of 2011, with MC going Stargate into macro in every single PvZ he played, and there were still people whining about Warpgate all-ins in the LR threads. It just never ends.
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On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison.
This is like people complaining MVP doesn't play macro games vs toss. If he wins before late game what's the point? Also he knows the opponent race gets stronger as time goes by so he doesn't wait. Same with MC.
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MC is a a fun guy, he's making the show which we lack due to most of progamers being teens nerds, no offense I have huge respect for guys taking unbelivable risks to live of their passion to the cost of studies. And also providing me my favorite show.
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On May 28 2012 05:53 Aerisky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On May 28 2012 05:50 Gamegene wrote:On May 28 2012 05:50 Serthius wrote:
Has MC put on a bit of weight, or was that just a really awkward camera angle? he's always been chubby He has a baby in there. About to get another one in there :D Hm, could be interpreted as "gonna eat up Stephano", or "gonna get raped". Really. Awkward. I mean the former :D :D gogogo MC
I rather think he meant "crying".
After listing all his victories against Stephano I think what he wanted to say is "Stephano must be crying now that he has to face me"
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wow really weird ad at the right hand side, completely distracted me for like 30 seconds while trying to follow the LR.
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On May 28 2012 05:56 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison. Yeah man, YongHwa and Seed are so much better than MC.
dude I hate to be a hipster nerd but you need to watch some non mainstream games, those two guys are actually really talented, theres a reason why IMMVP has been owning Protoss left and right ;p
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On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison.
Diagnosis: Mad.
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Oh god that was ballsy by Bomber. :O
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On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison.
The most successful protoss, 2nd most accomplished sc2 of all time, fails in comparison to geniusm partingm squirtle, yonghwam seedm oz, "list goes on"?
Guess you're mad MC beat HuK lol
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I really don't get how people can hate on MC. He always make a great show out of everything, and even if you take his jokes as 'BM' at least he can back it up by being an absolute boss.
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On May 28 2012 05:57 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:56 SeaSwift wrote:On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison. Yeah man, YongHwa and Seed are so much better than MC. dude I hate to be a hipster nerd but you need to watch some non mainstream games, those two guys are actually really talented, theres a reason why IMMVP has been owning Protoss left and right ;p
Okay guys, we've found the most clueless poster on TL.
Dragonborn and Benjamin89 need to up their game.
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On May 28 2012 05:57 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:56 SeaSwift wrote:On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison. Yeah man, YongHwa and Seed are so much better than MC. dude I hate to be a hipster nerd but you need to watch some non mainstream games, those two guys are actually really talented, theres a reason why IMMVP has been owning Protoss left and right ;p
It's because he's been practicing with MC.
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On May 28 2012 05:56 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:55 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene? I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison. This is like people complaining MVP doesn't play macro games vs toss. If he wins before late game what's the point? Also he knows the opponent race gets stronger as time goes by so he doesn't wait. Same with MC.
the difference is though MVP prepares these build orders ahead of time to try and counteract what he thinks his opponents going to do, he prepares very well. MC on the other hand will often times will consistently do blind timing attacks which is a large attribute as to why he's been doing much better lately in lan tournaments as opposed to the GSL.
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Taeja should have got this.
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Taeja please start making banshees!
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