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On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out.
yeah cheese never happens in brood war
definitely didn't get used in the ace match of the proleague finals or anything
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Yay, someone besides Maru is going double mech upgrades TvT. Although I think he's assuming Bomber will be playing bio on this map, with tanks already he is in a good spot to grab his third.
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people.
MC does it as a persona. Take your hate elsewhere.
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On May 28 2012 05:51 Aerisky wrote:Nope, semis are bo5! Awww yeah :3
Awesome! ty
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On May 28 2012 05:52 CursOr wrote:
In Korean it's certainly an insult to call someone a kid, or a boy... but a baby? lol
Just MC allways doing a show he done it so many times.
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people.
there is a difference between talking trash and being an ass. 
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On May 28 2012 05:51 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:50 Gamegene wrote:On May 28 2012 05:50 Serthius wrote:
Has MC put on a bit of weight, or was that just a really awkward camera angle? he's always been chubby He has a baby in there.
About to get another one in there :D
Hm, could be interpreted as "gonna eat up Stephano", or "gonna get raped". Really. Awkward. I mean the former :D :D gogogo MC
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people.
The huge difference is MC does it for show and is joking 99% of the time
MOST of the time(Though he's gotten much much better) Nani is just being a dick.
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people.
Your completely senseless MC hating is hilarious.
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On May 28 2012 05:51 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:50 Azarkon wrote:On May 28 2012 05:47 bsball8806 wrote:On May 28 2012 05:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:44 Azarkon wrote:
Again every NA/EU player except for Stephano falls in the Ro8... Pretty much every foreign LAN is Code S + Stephano once it starts getting into the money spots. And NaNiwa? Sadly no, because Naniwa doesn't play international LANs these days, and when he does play he disappoints - ie at Dreamhack. Yeah, Nani to busy beasting his way to GSL RO8
All koreans in this tournament are better than those that nani beat in his gsl run.
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:50 Gamegene wrote:On May 28 2012 05:50 Serthius wrote:
Has MC put on a bit of weight, or was that just a really awkward camera angle? he's always been chubby Nah he was not chubby when he was a BW pro.
that's cuz he wasn't really successful when he was a bw pro. chubby = lots money to eat ;p
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On May 28 2012 05:51 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:48 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. The guy has also played in relatively few LANs and his peers rate him pretty highly. Almost got out of the open bracket in the stacked IPL4, placed decently at the MLG he played in after beating the likes of Bomer. Bomber is also rated pretty highly by his peers, but he's fatally inconsistent. You can be considered as good as MVP but if you can't be that good regularly it doesn't much matter.
Aye but he's not overrated, he's pretty damn good, underrated if anything. SaSe is known to be a talented player, but plays few foreign events due to him focusing on making it in Korea. When he does play, he has accomplished things like all-killing Liquid, being one of the few (if only, not sure?) foreigners to get to a Korean Weekly final, and is apparently unbeaten in LAN PvT in 6 months?
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On May 28 2012 05:53 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people. Your completely senseless MC hating is hilarious.
On May 28 2012 05:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:52 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:48 Valikyr wrote:On May 28 2012 05:46 Sergio1992 wrote:
Sase is an extremely talented player, but by knowing that he is a close Naniwa's friend you can realize he is probably a rude\bad mannered person in real life, such as Naniwa, so I'm happy Mc is the winner. You're fucking retarded. Sase is such a nice guy. Lol I love how everyone thinks MC isn't even remotely BM himself, I'd actually say hes much more BM then Nani if not the same level at the very least given his drama hes stirred up in interviews and his rude comments (such as his NASL one), also last time I checked Nani isn't the one talking trash in interviews about other players specifically as people. The huge difference is MC does it for show and is joking 99% of the time MOST of the time(Though he's gotten much much better) Nani is just being a dick.
Two smart comments that I fully agree with 
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Talk about the games not about who's BM and how no one cheeses in BW.
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On May 28 2012 05:52 Serek wrote:The sound engineers throughout this tournament remind me of the NASL finals in season 1... It's that bad. 
Found a photo from the back stage:
![[image loading]](http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2010/03/monkeys.jpg)
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Love MC haters lol.. they are so butthurt
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On May 28 2012 05:51 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:49 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. I bet your the guy on the ladder who justifies 4 gating and 6 pooling every game because "winning is winning", honestly if you want to be considered the best of the best then your going to have to do more then 2 base shenanigans consistently. If you want to put MC on the same pedestal as players such as Nestea, MKP, MVP, DRG and etc then he's going to have to do more then just timing attacks. It always baffles me that people would prefer to watch less skill and endurance over the longevity and talent we often saw in BW, thankfully a a resurgence is slowly occurring and cheeses/gimmicks are slowly being weeded out. MC's macro games are fearsome as well. Do people really still think that a player who only 2 bases would still be relevant in the scene?
I cant deny he has a really good macro PvZ but his longevity in terms of PvP and PvT are pretty sickening given he loses almost any time he plays a standard game, a lot of his PvZ success is attributed to his amazing micro though which is one of the most important aspects against zerg imo. When you contrast him against other guys such as Genius, Parting, Squirtle, YongHwa, Seed, Oz, (the list goes on) he fails in comparison.
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On May 28 2012 05:54 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:51 iamthedave wrote:On May 28 2012 05:48 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 28 2012 05:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:37 Braric wrote:On May 28 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 28 2012 05:32 Braric wrote:
Rofl wait what? MC better then Sase, sure maybe better at taking risks and cutting corners constantly. I'm rather surprised you think MC can actually accomplish anything without cutting corners or relying on micro. Why are these jokers allowed on TL? MC's won endless major LAN's. Sase has never won a major LAN. Sase has never even been in the semi final of a premier LAN. MC has won more than 20x more money than Sase has. MC is an infinitely better player. Yeah sure MC is more accomplished, but so are players like HongUn and Inca. I'm not saying he's bad by any means but he is definitely overrated. All of those major lans and tournaments he won was by executing 2 base timings supported by mind gaming and metagaming, theres a reason he was labeled the suicide toss in BW. Winning is winning. Just like MC just won against Sase. Sase is the most overrated player in the entire scene. The guy has no results on LAN. The guy has also played in relatively few LANs and his peers rate him pretty highly. Almost got out of the open bracket in the stacked IPL4, placed decently at the MLG he played in after beating the likes of Bomer. Bomber is also rated pretty highly by his peers, but he's fatally inconsistent. You can be considered as good as MVP but if you can't be that good regularly it doesn't much matter. Aye but he's not overrated, he's pretty damn good, underrated if anything. SaSe is known to be a talented player, but plays few foreign events due to him focusing on making it in Korea. When he does play, he has accomplished things like all-killing Liquid, being one of the few (if only, not sure?) foreigners to get to a Korean Weekly final, and is apparently unbeaten in LAN PvT in 6 months?
MKP beat Sase on LAN 2-0 at MLG Winter.
Bomber has also won Code A and an MLG which is pretty damn different to Sase.
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So far, i didnt have any sound issues today.
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