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[SPL] Air Force ACE vs. KT Rolster - Page 52

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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
May 22 2012 07:59 GMT
#1021
ACE vs KT

Set 2

P11 GuemChi<Ohana> P5 Wooki
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
May 22 2012 07:59 GMT
#1022
On May 22 2012 16:58 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:53 GTR wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol

KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service

That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service.


they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system

July said he'll go to military soon, wouldn't he be able to join Ace ?


probably not. licenses are valid for like a year.

just like idra doesn't have a license.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1023
oh god a pvp, lets hope someone does a proper timing if thats what they are aiming for.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1024
On May 22 2012 16:59 radadaundandan wrote:
Since when such games are part of this game section?


Since sc2/bw hybrid started on the 20th.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1025
my streams keeps going to the future then back .... wtf lol
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1026
please no collosus wars please no collosus wars
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1027
On May 22 2012 16:54 Kommander wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:50 iamahydralisk wrote:
I mean this in the best way possible, but honestly, a lot of these games are just lolzy. Seeing SC2 pros fail spectacularly at BW, and then seeing the huge skill gap between SC2 pros and BW pros who are still learning the game. I like this proleague format quite a bit, but it's gonna take some time before we actually see mostly competitive games.


Hey, I'm just happy that certain "elitists" were proven wrong when they said that BW pros were immediately going to crush in SC2. I mean seriously, it's going to take them several months or so.


It's pretty funny in fact. The initialy argument was that SC2 was "so easy" that BW pros would naturally dominate it immediately. Then the argument morphed to claiming the game was so cheesy/timing based there could be no stability at the top(nevermind three players basically dominating the game for its first two years).

They're going to get good eventually considering how much they practice. But none of them are going to be better than DRG, MVP, etc by the end of the year
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1028
13 gate vs 10 gate
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1029
Oh no a 10 gate. What are you doing Wookiiiiiiiiiiii
In Inca we trust
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1030
On May 22 2012 16:59 Juliette wrote:
ACE vs KT

Set 2

P11 GuemChi <Ohana> P5 Wooki

Wookie puts his gate on 10, GuemChi waits until 13
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1031
On May 22 2012 16:59 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:58 MrCon wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:53 GTR wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol

KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service

That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service.


they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system

July said he'll go to military soon, wouldn't he be able to join Ace ?


probably not. licenses are valid for like a year.

just like idra doesn't have a license.

Oh k, thanks.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1032
http://www.twitch.tv/bgvrt/popout for people who are going back to the future
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 08:01:32
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1033
anyone have an alternative stream?

EDIT: TY
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1034
10gate 4gate
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1035
On May 22 2012 16:59 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:57 xxpack09 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first


that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks


im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"


How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making.


normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win

lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen

or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack


Again, the main point isn't that he chose to attack, it's that he doesn't even know the basics. Imagine a Zerg in SC2 going 12hatch14pool instead of 15hatch16pool. It's that bad.



he made the faster gates for faster units to have more units slightly faster at the terran base slightly faster so if the terran went CC first, it would be an auto win

if he made gates later, the units would arrive at the terran base slightly later

same as when a zerg 4pools to get units to the terran base ASAP so if the terran goes CC first they auto win

when it fails, it fails. it says that the user of the all-in build sucks because he went for a highly inefficient build that sacrifices a ton of econ to get attacking units ASAP to the enemy in hope that they get a free win cuz the enemy was playing greedy


13gate vs 15gate does not get you dragoons out faster, the fact that you're missing those 2 probes means you can't build goons immediately (since you have to get range). But nice try.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1036
Wow, we're watching these guys catch up to the SC2 pros in real-time.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1037
On May 22 2012 16:55 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:54 Adreme wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:50 romanov wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 Laurens wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 PhoenixDark wrote:
This is like first GSL quality play, and even that would be generous. Clearly they need some time to learn the game


really? That TvZ wasn't nearly as bad as the first GSL games let's be honest.

The entertainement quality was better because it wasn't just a marine/scv allin or a doubleport banshee. But at least in the first seasons of GSL the builds were thougt out and executed cleanly whilst i get the idea that these BW pro's are just winging it.


They know the builds they are suppose to be doing and thats what is saving the games but what they dont know is the why they are doing it which leads to weird games on both ends when deviations happen.


It also doesn't help terran is in the most stale and difficult situation in sc2 atm. With the queen buff no one knows whats going on in TvZ atm :/


IDK. In my noob opinion, I just feel like these Terrans are always trying to use the wrong build in the wrong situation. Terran is super versatile early/mid and that's where Terran is dangerous, the ability to employ so many different strategies. But it requires amazing game sense and knowledge to know when to use each one and when to recognize that it's not going to work and you need to switch gears. We've seen Terrans go all out marines vs collosus, Iris had tons of baracks with techlabs but was making marines, it just seems like their experience isn't there yet.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1038
OH MY GOD WOOKIE HAS A REAL BUILD!

11gate 3 gate pressure, hits 30 seconds before standard fast warpgate and can often do damage, Good on 2 player maps popularized by Oz about a year ago now first instance on Crossfire (the sc2 version of peaks of beakdu)
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4148 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1039
On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first


that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks


im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"


How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making.


normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win

lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen

or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack


It's still a very playable position. Yes he would have been at a disadvantage but it's not as bad as a failed 4 pool. Guess he didn't favour a macro game
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1040
Is it bad that the Nari & Milani - I got My Eyes on You song sounded like KPop to me? Am I really getting that old that anything that sounds "young" I immediately dismiss as Kpop?

PS - It's kind of catchy though TT.
PPS - I think a drunk Fruitdealer might be able to win these games.
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