Set 2
P11 GuemChi<Ohana> P5 Wooki
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
May 22 2012 07:59 GMT
#1021
Set 2 P11 GuemChi<Ohana> P5 Wooki | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
May 22 2012 07:59 GMT
#1022
On May 22 2012 16:58 MrCon wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:53 GTR wrote: On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote: On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote: this isn't even fair lol KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service. they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system July said he'll go to military soon, wouldn't he be able to join Ace ? probably not. licenses are valid for like a year. just like idra doesn't have a license. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13401 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1023
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1024
On May 22 2012 16:59 radadaundandan wrote: Since when such games are part of this game section? Since sc2/bw hybrid started on the 20th. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1025
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1026
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1027
On May 22 2012 16:54 Kommander wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:50 iamahydralisk wrote: I mean this in the best way possible, but honestly, a lot of these games are just lolzy. Seeing SC2 pros fail spectacularly at BW, and then seeing the huge skill gap between SC2 pros and BW pros who are still learning the game. I like this proleague format quite a bit, but it's gonna take some time before we actually see mostly competitive games. Hey, I'm just happy that certain "elitists" were proven wrong when they said that BW pros were immediately going to crush in SC2. I mean seriously, it's going to take them several months or so. It's pretty funny in fact. The initialy argument was that SC2 was "so easy" that BW pros would naturally dominate it immediately. Then the argument morphed to claiming the game was so cheesy/timing based there could be no stability at the top(nevermind three players basically dominating the game for its first two years). They're going to get good eventually considering how much they practice. But none of them are going to be better than DRG, MVP, etc by the end of the year | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1028
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las91
United States5080 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1029
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#1030
On May 22 2012 16:59 Juliette wrote: ACE vs KT Set 2 P11 GuemChi <Ohana> P5 Wooki Wookie puts his gate on 10, GuemChi waits until 13 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1031
On May 22 2012 16:59 N.geNuity wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:58 MrCon wrote: On May 22 2012 16:53 GTR wrote: On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote: On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote: this isn't even fair lol KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service. they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system July said he'll go to military soon, wouldn't he be able to join Ace ? probably not. licenses are valid for like a year. just like idra doesn't have a license. Oh k, thanks. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1032
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1033
EDIT: TY | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1034
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1035
On May 22 2012 16:59 roymarthyup wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:57 xxpack09 wrote: On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote: On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote: On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote: id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks" How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making. normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack Again, the main point isn't that he chose to attack, it's that he doesn't even know the basics. Imagine a Zerg in SC2 going 12hatch14pool instead of 15hatch16pool. It's that bad. he made the faster gates for faster units to have more units slightly faster at the terran base slightly faster so if the terran went CC first, it would be an auto win if he made gates later, the units would arrive at the terran base slightly later same as when a zerg 4pools to get units to the terran base ASAP so if the terran goes CC first they auto win when it fails, it fails. it says that the user of the all-in build sucks because he went for a highly inefficient build that sacrifices a ton of econ to get attacking units ASAP to the enemy in hope that they get a free win cuz the enemy was playing greedy 13gate vs 15gate does not get you dragoons out faster, the fact that you're missing those 2 probes means you can't build goons immediately (since you have to get range). But nice try. | ||
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1036
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1037
On May 22 2012 16:55 ZeromuS wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:54 Adreme wrote: On May 22 2012 16:50 romanov wrote: On May 22 2012 16:48 Laurens wrote: On May 22 2012 16:46 PhoenixDark wrote: This is like first GSL quality play, and even that would be generous. Clearly they need some time to learn the game really? That TvZ wasn't nearly as bad as the first GSL games let's be honest. The entertainement quality was better because it wasn't just a marine/scv allin or a doubleport banshee. But at least in the first seasons of GSL the builds were thougt out and executed cleanly whilst i get the idea that these BW pro's are just winging it. They know the builds they are suppose to be doing and thats what is saving the games but what they dont know is the why they are doing it which leads to weird games on both ends when deviations happen. It also doesn't help terran is in the most stale and difficult situation in sc2 atm. With the queen buff no one knows whats going on in TvZ atm :/ IDK. In my noob opinion, I just feel like these Terrans are always trying to use the wrong build in the wrong situation. Terran is super versatile early/mid and that's where Terran is dangerous, the ability to employ so many different strategies. But it requires amazing game sense and knowledge to know when to use each one and when to recognize that it's not going to work and you need to switch gears. We've seen Terrans go all out marines vs collosus, Iris had tons of baracks with techlabs but was making marines, it just seems like their experience isn't there yet. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13401 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1038
11gate 3 gate pressure, hits 30 seconds before standard fast warpgate and can often do damage, Good on 2 player maps popularized by Oz about a year ago now first instance on Crossfire (the sc2 version of peaks of beakdu) | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1039
On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote: Show nested quote + On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote: On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote: id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks" How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making. normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack It's still a very playable position. Yes he would have been at a disadvantage but it's not as bad as a failed 4 pool. Guess he didn't favour a macro game | ||
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hagrin
United States278 Posts
May 22 2012 08:01 GMT
#1040
PS - It's kind of catchy though TT. PPS - I think a drunk Fruitdealer might be able to win these games. | ||
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