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Can I just say that this format is stupid?
I love SC2 and I love BW. I even think mixing them would be cool. But each individual having to practice both makes the games for both not very good.
edit: I'm sure this has been brought up, sorry. Just annoyed and need to express my agreement.
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On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player.
I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber.
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On May 24 2012 11:38 Nikoras wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player. I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber.
I can vouch for this, It was a long while ago now and I don't think he can play as fast these days with his injury but it absolutely blew me away.
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On May 24 2012 11:20 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 10:37 Pokebunny wrote:On May 24 2012 05:52 Veldril wrote:On May 24 2012 02:12 Pokebunny wrote:
Does anyone know what the matchups will be for this weekend's matches? They're not on the calendar. From Liquidpedia: May 26th, 2012 Air Force ACE vs STX SouL May 27th, 2012 CJ Entus vs SKT T1 KT Rolster vs Team 8 May 28th, 2012 STX Soul vs Samsung Khan May 29th, 2012 SKT T1 vs Woongjin Stars Interesting, two matches on Sunday? i've got some LR threads premade in my blog if you want to make an LR op too =]
Please go ahead, and please add my stream for english commentary for the Saturday and Sunday matches! 
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On May 24 2012 11:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 11:38 Nikoras wrote:On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player. I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber. I can vouch for this, It was a long while ago now and I don't think he can play as fast these days with his injury but it absolutely blew me away.
omg MVP has a stream? Do you have the URL by any chance? xD
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On May 24 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 11:55 Dodgin wrote:On May 24 2012 11:38 Nikoras wrote:On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player. I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber. I can vouch for this, It was a long while ago now and I don't think he can play as fast these days with his injury but it absolutely blew me away. omg MVP has a stream? Do you have the URL by any chance? xD
http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370637
http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370720
First VOD leads into the second. The Metalopolis game at the end of VOD 1 starts off with the IM coach playing, when it turns bad and looks like he's going to lose Mvp takes over and ends up winning.
Another Metal game at the end of VOD 2 with the IM coach playing at first, turns out even worse than the first one. Mvp takes over and wins again.
There's also some offracing in there, Mvp plays at GM level as Random. One game as Protoss and two or three as Zerg I think.
There's likely more VODs this is just what I found quickly by searching highest views. ( mvp and nestea get highest views when they play )
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On May 23 2012 17:34 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 09:36 boxturtle wrote:On May 23 2012 09:03 oOOoOphidian wrote:On May 23 2012 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Well Flash tried to out macro larva inject. One does not simply out macro larva inject. Bomber and MVP do. Flash just transitioned to tank/thor way too late and only had 1 bunker instead of 3. MVP and Bomber are pretty weak examples of players being able to outmacroing Zerg. MVP doesn't now, and he never could. He uses aggressive timings now like MC in most of his games these days anyways. MVP used to harass like a madman while macroing up a ghost + mech deathball, but ghosts got nerfed and the strategy isn't viable anymore. MVP isn't a very good at macro as far as the top tier pros go. People like aLive make his macro look like trash. Using similar builds against gumiho in the same day, MVP showed his 3 base meching was a whole lot slower than aLive's. MVP doesn't have the capacity to macro like other top tier Terrans like MKP. Bomber isn't exactly top tier now, and he dropped sets to idra in macro games when he was. He was best when no Zerg knew how to react properly (by react properly I mean completely shit on, they were holding fine) to his 3 base into marine/tank pushes. Now, he probably wouldn't be able to outmacro any Zerg because queens got buffed enough for people to pull fast thirds off against his old build. I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage. Wow, I don't think I've ever seen such rubbish. Even the garbage on the previous pages about Kal having the best phoenix control in sc2 history is better than this.
;_; it was pretty good...
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On May 24 2012 12:24 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:On May 24 2012 11:55 Dodgin wrote:On May 24 2012 11:38 Nikoras wrote:On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player. I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber. I can vouch for this, It was a long while ago now and I don't think he can play as fast these days with his injury but it absolutely blew me away. omg MVP has a stream? Do you have the URL by any chance? xD http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370637http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370720First VOD leads into the second. The Metalopolis game at the end of VOD 1 starts off with the IM coach playing, when it turns bad and looks like he's going to lose Mvp takes over and ends up winning. Another Metal game at the end of VOD 2 with the IM coach playing at first, turns out even worse than the first one. Mvp takes over and wins again. There's also some offracing in there, Mvp plays at GM level as Random. One game as Protoss and two or three as Zerg I think. There's likely more VODs this is just what I found quickly by searching highest views. ( mvp and nestea get highest views when they play )
haha i remember this, the coach took the wrong gas on metal (one of the gases is more efficient to mine from) and mvp was pretty disappoint.
On May 24 2012 12:04 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 11:20 opterown wrote:On May 24 2012 10:37 Pokebunny wrote:On May 24 2012 05:52 Veldril wrote:On May 24 2012 02:12 Pokebunny wrote:
Does anyone know what the matchups will be for this weekend's matches? They're not on the calendar. From Liquidpedia: May 26th, 2012 Air Force ACE vs STX SouL May 27th, 2012 CJ Entus vs SKT T1 KT Rolster vs Team 8 May 28th, 2012 STX Soul vs Samsung Khan May 29th, 2012 SKT T1 vs Woongjin Stars Interesting, two matches on Sunday? i've got some LR threads premade in my blog if you want to make an LR op too =] Please go ahead, and please add my stream for english commentary for the Saturday and Sunday matches!
might have to get someone else to cover sunday's, but hopefully i can do saturday's matches! as always, if an LR thread isn't up, check my blog, it's probably premade :D
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On May 24 2012 12:24 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 12:07 Whatson wrote:On May 24 2012 11:55 Dodgin wrote:On May 24 2012 11:38 Nikoras wrote:On May 24 2012 06:11 nofacej wrote:On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year. Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player. I've had the pleasure of watching MVP's first person stream and my reaction was "Holy shit, how the fuck are you supposed to beat THAT?" It actually looks significantly different than everyone else's stream. Including MKP, Polt, Bomber. I can vouch for this, It was a long while ago now and I don't think he can play as fast these days with his injury but it absolutely blew me away. omg MVP has a stream? Do you have the URL by any chance? xD http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370637http://www.own3d.tv/IMHirai/video/370720First VOD leads into the second. The Metalopolis game at the end of VOD 1 starts off with the IM coach playing, when it turns bad and looks like he's going to lose Mvp takes over and ends up winning. Another Metal game at the end of VOD 2 with the IM coach playing at first, turns out even worse than the first one. Mvp takes over and wins again. There's also some offracing in there, Mvp plays at GM level as Random. One game as Protoss and two or three as Zerg I think. There's likely more VODs this is just what I found quickly by searching highest views. ( mvp and nestea get highest views when they play )
Thanks very much ^^
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